No doubt Jim is one of the best. So is Laura, so her opinion should carry great weight.

I was the first to win a regional with all fringe, but I wouldn't claim to be a great all-fringe player, certainly nowhere near to as much as those 2.


I would however, consider myself very good at Imperial Swap.

Your strategy of keeping TK in the bubble would be not only virtually useless, but would help you to lose quicker. I'd out activate, walk out of the bubble, swap in, and kill Talon. Even better!


It's certainly not an auto-loss, but it does greatly hurt any talon squad, and thereby any competitive all fringe squad.

Are you saying if the Talon player ignores the Imperials TK, that it's an auto loss for the Talon player???????

If you were playing Talon against TK, would it be an auto loss for you???????

How would you play Talon against TK??????????

Even without TK, don't you still outactivate, and don't you still have many other swappers that you can utilize to swap outside of the bubble, to come in and kill Talon. I'd imagine Jim and Laura would not let you kill Talon that easily

Fully agreed. They wouldn't attempt to simply keep TK in the bubble.

Wanted to clarify a few things about my first post, sorry if a few things weren't as clear as I thought. As I've come to realize, TK-421 isn't an auto-loss for a Fringe (read Talon) squad. He's annoying and you have to know what you are going to do about him, but he isn't going to take apart your squad by himself. However, that was my perception of him when I was deciding what to bring to the WI regional, and as a result I decided not to even try fringe.

This relates to the problem brought up on this site before of how to get more new people into the game. If I come to the game as a new player, I'm not going to understand how a Talon player deals with TK-421. The Lah warriors and their supporting cast (which I think are a more significant problem) are easier to understand. Maybe not to deal with but to understand. They move fast, hit hard, and are hard to kill. Okay, you just described half of the competitive pieces in the game (they just do it perhaps a little too well). TK-421 and Marn and the other pieces that are harder to just remember the rules for raise the bar very high for entry into the game.

TL:DR TK-421 and Marn aren't (IMHO) balance issues, but simply have problems in the complexity they add to a pretty complex game. Lah warriors don't add complexity, but do have some balance issues, which in my opinion is the better problem to have to deal with.

Edit: I LOVE TK-421 from a casual flavor perspective. I mean, it's really pretty cool and funny, and in a casual game without gambit would most likely be a toss up as to who would benefit. I just don't think he fits well in the competitive game.

Marn also hurts Exar DFS and other force batteries. Not worth changing though.

Amen brother!

Yes and not because he is too powerful, but because its stupid and defies Star Wars logic 100%

A sidious hologram cannot magically give someone capabilities of using the force. It makes no sense.

I would want it changed due to npe, the silliness behind the concept of ugnaughts rerolling attacks with the force is ludicrous.

As far as balance team changing things that are too powerful, i think most people will agree that the balance team did a heck of a job and that designers are doing a heck of a job since to not make something overpowered that will "dominate" everything. (get my little joke?)

I think that the balance team is there to help balance fun for all players.
If the casual event stuff takes off than this aspect of the balance team does not really need to be in effect imo.

So, maybe it is not time to worry about little things like that since there are casual options (or are going to be more casual options).

Well that is interesting, and since my very favorite character is Palpatine I think I just fell in love with that concept. Sidious is that powerful.

Yes huge +1 to that. That is the form that always talks and deals with the separatists and he even came out in the clone wars set!

Just rereading the thread to make sure I didn't miss anything. +1 to what both of these dudes said.