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Darth O
Posted: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:22:13 PM
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Wait, 100 points of gambit in 1 round? I thought it was 25 in epics.
DARPH NADER
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:36:20 AM
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Darth O wrote:
Wait, 100 points of gambit in 1 round? I thought it was 25 in epics.


For the Epic, I wanted to shake up the format by encouraging Epic on Epic encounters. By stipulating that only the Epic piece could score gambit (worth 100 points) this indeed would force combat. Now that I've had time to reflect I'm not sure I'd reduce the gambit points, using my three matches as a baseline three very different gambit scenarios occured.

In my first match against emtjoe, my WC stole swap from Thrawn which was important be cause my map choice of Cantina prevented me from getting into gambit but it was still a solid choice from a Melee perpective. So as the match played out there was no need for me to for chase down the TPM as he would have been mowed down. Using my movement I was able base and kill Vader AoE, Arica and Cad trading for Shedao and two Ossus, a most equitable trade IMO. 3pts

Next against Hinkbert... I had to be patient because of HK and his shooters and really what hurt me was my inability to clear out just one or two of his mouse droids to clear the path to Revan sooner; because when I got to him in round five the beat down was on and I just couldn't finish him off in time "numbers make me angry," oh and so do Revan and Satele! Cursing Loss

Final match pitted me against Juice Man and his undying Ganner; must tip my hat to Juicy as it was the most infuriating build I faced all weekend, because The Ganner simply wouldn't die! I won map and I chose his map Peaceful City mainly because he would invariably plop Ganner down in gambit and I would be in the same situation as I was against Hink. However I was able to move my force up enmass and instead of launching my Ossus against Jacen JK, I decided on the full assault on the Ganner. To cut to the chase, just about every single piece in my squad engaged The Ganner and the amount of damage was staggering and with no cost Lightsaber Def and Avoid Defeat and MoTF2; then sprinkle in Essence of Life he was a flat out beast. Finally he went down along with Mara Jade, JM and Cade Padi. 3pts

So Epic on Epic occured in the center ring as I had wanted in 2 of 3 matches and the four (4) CE limit also kept things from getting out of hand with the builds. ThumbsUp

I will simply say this, it was the most fun I've had playing in an Epic 500!

"Purple Jeedai Eaters"

Czulkang Lah
Warmaster Tsavong Lah
Warmaster Nas Choka
Shedao Shai
Nen Yim
Ossus x3
Yammosk
Zam Wessel, BH
Klatoo Assassin x2
Rodian Assassin
Uggie Demo x3
swinefeld
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:46:28 AM
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Vong vs. The Ganner? I would love to have watched that bloodbath. BigGrin
DARPH NADER
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:52:07 AM
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swinefeld wrote:
Vong vs. The Ganner? I would love to have watched that bloodbath. BigGrin


Dude it was an absolute blood bath from the beginning of round two, the amount of damage I was dishing out was absurd! Love Zam in this build but maybe need to drop an Ossus for a Quednak to clear the chaff and maybe an Uggie Vet to do SB. Shedao was big w/MR2 vs The Ganner as well..
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:14:36 AM
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DARPH NADER wrote:
Shedao was big w/MR2 vs The Ganner as well..


???

Sounds illegal to me. You have to end adjacent to The Ganner due to None Shall Pass. Maybe you could have done it once on the way in if you calculated just right. But only once.
swinefeld
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 9:32:56 AM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
DARPH NADER wrote:
Shedao was big w/MR2 vs The Ganner as well..


???

Sounds illegal to me. You have to end adjacent to The Ganner due to None Shall Pass. Maybe you could have done it once on the way in if you calculated just right. But only once.


I was perplexed by this as well. Could be that there were no open squares adjacent to Ganner that Shai could get to, in which case he stands and attacks. It's kinda like Savage, if you can't base the enemy, you aren't required to move closer to them.

On peaceful city, if Ganner was fully in gambit wouldn't he be up against a wall?

edit:
Yes, depending on side, door status and placement of the other attackers, it's possible that Shai could stay put and swing away from 2 squares.
jak
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:38:04 AM
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yesCursing
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:39:45 AM
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swinefeld wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
DARPH NADER wrote:
Shedao was big w/MR2 vs The Ganner as well..


???

Sounds illegal to me. You have to end adjacent to The Ganner due to None Shall Pass. Maybe you could have done it once on the way in if you calculated just right. But only once.


I was perplexed by this as well. Could be that there were no open squares adjacent to Ganner that Shai could get to, in which case he stands and attacks. It's kinda like Savage, if you can't base the enemy, you aren't required to move closer to them.

On peaceful city, if Ganner was fully in gambit wouldn't he be up against a wall?

edit:
Yes, depending on side, door status and placement of the other attackers, it's possible that Shai could stay put and swing away from 2 squares.


Well unless Juiceman put his own figures adjacent to the Ganner (which would be less than ideal) Gerry didn't have enough figures that wouldn't instantly die to surround The Ganner, even if he was against a wall.
swinefeld
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 11:54:04 AM
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Yeah, it's pretty hard to see it going down that way without something being forgotten.
juice man
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:52:59 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
DARPH NADER wrote:
Shedao was big w/MR2 vs The Ganner as well..


???

Sounds illegal to me. You have to end adjacent to The Ganner due to None Shall Pass. Maybe you could have done it once on the way in if you calculated just right. But only once.

We missed that it is a reverse Savage. Alot of new stuff.
My squad

149 The Ganner
58 Mara Jade, Jedi Master
40 Anikin Solo Galactic Hero
33 Jacen Solo, Jedi Knight
30 Vergere
58 Jedi Demolitionist x2
29 Winter
26 Kyp Durron
25 Cilghals friend
25 Leia Skywalker, Jedi Knight
23 General Wedge Antilles
3 Mouse Droid

Only with DN did I get to use all my squads evilness.
Heal, Augment Heal, Avoid Defeat, Evade, Ligthsaber Defense, Essence of Life, and when I rememberd, Crab Armor 6 plus Leia's re-rolls.

The look on DN's face was priceless. He still won, but it was fun.
christophercook
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:11:44 PM
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Here was my squad for the 300 pt:

37 Grand Admiral Thrawn
28 General Weir
27 Lobot
21 General Veers
85 Storm Commando x5
16 Admiral Gilad Pellaeon
14 Imperial Officer
13 Amanin Scout
11 Admiral Ozzel
8 Mas Amedda
8 R4 Astromech Droid
8 R7 Astromech Droid
8 Wicket
5 Salacious Crumb
8 Gran Raider x2
3 Ugnaught Demolitionist

Yea like Tim said I think him beating me in swiss made me rethink my reinforcements for the final, also me winning map made a very huge difference(cargo docks). In the semi-finals playing Trevor with his Mace in the Face Skybuck I actually created a wall of my Storm Commandos hiding everyone else behind. We were playing on Smugglers Base and I chose the side with the garage/room. It was just about un-winnable for him from the start. Big thanks to Corey for putting this awesome event togeather and making the sweet trophies. Also thanks to Gerry for accepting my suprise stay on saturday night and also letting me use his six storm commandos. And thank you steve for the week old cookies that he stole and made me sick. Great weekend can't wait fo Frostey Con! -Luke(not Chris)
DARPH NADER
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:30:41 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:
DARPH NADER wrote:
Shedao was big w/MR2 vs The Ganner as well..


???

Sounds illegal to me. You have to end adjacent to The Ganner due to None Shall Pass. Maybe you could have done it once on the way in if you calculated just right. But only once.


As I posted over on gamers, I think if there was a foul up it could have been with Shedao but he still was had A fair amount of distance to close on Ganner. All of my other melee pieces were directly adjacent to the him.
DARPH NADER
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 6:34:43 PM
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juice man wrote:
The look on DN's face was priceless. He still won, but it was fun.


It was an Epic encounter (no pun intended) and a big reason why I play this game. Juice is was a great match and I really enjoyed every agonizing second! Embrace of Pain baby!
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:03:11 PM
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juice man wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
DARPH NADER wrote:
Shedao was big w/MR2 vs The Ganner as well..


???

Sounds illegal to me. You have to end adjacent to The Ganner due to None Shall Pass. Maybe you could have done it once on the way in if you calculated just right. But only once.

We missed that it is a reverse Savage. Alot of new stuff.
My squad

149 The Ganner
58 Mara Jade, Jedi Master
40 Anikin Solo Galactic Hero
33 Jacen Solo, Jedi Knight
30 Vergere
58 Jedi Demolitionist x2
29 Winter
26 Kyp Durron
25 Cilghals friend
25 Leia Skywalker, Jedi Knight
23 General Wedge Antilles
3 Mouse Droid

Only with DN did I get to use all my squads evilness.
Heal, Augment Heal, Avoid Defeat, Evade, Ligthsaber Defense, Essence of Life, and when I rememberd, Crab Armor 6 plus Leia's re-rolls.

The look on DN's face was priceless. He still won, but it was fun.


How did you get augment healing? You need a second healer, and I only see one.

How did you get avoid defeat?
sith happens
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:42:12 PM
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cheating?
power leap?
to many v-sets to fast?
v-sets not in bloomilk squad builder?
75 minutes for 500 point/16 activation squad?
trying to balance the factions with the v-sets?
then overbalancing them?

ignoring SWM players?
ignoring bloomilk members?

any and/or all of the above questions may answer the previous question.
TheHutts
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:48:16 PM
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TimmerB123 wrote:

How did you get augment healing? You need a second healer, and I only see one.

How did you get avoid defeat?


Avoid Defeat comes from Mara, right?
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:55:27 PM
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sith happens wrote:
cheating?
power leap?
to many v-sets to fast?
v-sets not in bloomilk squad builder?
75 minutes for 500 point/16 activation squad?
trying to balance the factions with the v-sets?
then overbalancing them?

ignoring SWM players?
ignoring bloomilk members?

any and/or all of the above questions may answer the previous question.


Sorry - I am not trying to be the know-it-all nerd who is criticizing someone for not knowing every little detail on a card. Especially an Epic one.

This match just caught my attention after-the-fact because it seems like such a mismatch on paper.

Cheating is off that list because I know both guys, and there was certainly no intentional cheating.

Could a minor flub have happened because both guys missed it? Absolutely.


We all don't get to play as often as we like, and when we do it's rarely Epic. The Epic cards are so stacked it's tough to remember it all.


My intention was more from a pure point of curiosity.


sith happens wrote:

ignoring SWM players?
ignoring bloomilk members?


Why the chip on your shoulder, friend? I promise everyone involved is trying to make decisions that will move the game in a direction that is more fun for all. We won't agree on everything, but nobody is intentionally ignoring any particular group or trying to sabotage anyone's fun.
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 7:56:56 PM
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TheHutts wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:

How did you get augment healing? You need a second healer, and I only see one.

How did you get avoid defeat?


Avoid Defeat comes from Mara, right?


Yes - I misread and thought it was old Mara
juice man
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:14:51 PM
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The minor flub: since no V-4 BMed myself Confused re-worked the squad so I could print it, then changed it on paper.
Forgot it was changed on paper. Here it is.

149 The Ganner
58 Mara Jade, Jedi Master
40 Anikin Solo Galactic Hero
33 Jacen Solo, Jedi Knight
30 Vergere
58 Jedi Demolitionist x2
26 Kyp Durron
25 Cilghals friend
25 Leia Skywalker, Jedi Knight
23 General Wedge Antilles
20 Cade Sky Pad
4 Tuskin Raider
9 Mouse Droid x 3

Three healers Vegere, Tekli, Cade. Disapointed with myself for not grasping "None Shall Pass". And not remembering my Leia re-rolls all the time. And staying up so late. Enjoyed it all.
TimmerB123
Posted: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 8:35:38 PM
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juice man wrote:
The minor flub: since no V-4 BMed myself Confused re-worked the squad so I could print it, then changed it on paper.
Forgot it was changed on paper. Here it is.

149 The Ganner
58 Mara Jade, Jedi Master
40 Anikin Solo Galactic Hero
33 Jacen Solo, Jedi Knight
30 Vergere
58 Jedi Demolitionist x2
26 Kyp Durron
25 Cilghals friend
25 Leia Skywalker, Jedi Knight
23 General Wedge Antilles
20 Cade Sky Pad
4 Tuskin Raider
9 Mouse Droid x 3

Three healers Vegere, Tekli, Cade. Disapointed with myself for not grasping "None Shall Pass". And not remembering my Leia re-rolls all the time. And staying up so late. Enjoyed it all.


OK - I am an idiot. You had three healers all along - I just forgot that Cade and Vergere heal.
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