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From the 6 movies, we had the following lightsaber duels and outcomes...
Ep 1
Maul vs Qui Gon = draw
Maul beats Qui Gon
Obi-Wan beats Maul
Ep 2
Dooku beats Obi-Wan
Dooku beats Anakin
Dooku vs Yoda = draw
Ep 3
Dooku beats Obi-Wan
Anakin beats Dooku
Anakin vs Grievous = draw
Obi-Wan vs Grievous = draw
Obi-Wan beats Grievous
Palpatine beat Fisto, Tiin, Kolar
Mace beats Palpatine
Anakin beats Mace
Anakin beats Cin Drallig
Obi-Wan beats Anakin
Palpatine beats Yoda
Ep 4
Obi-Wan vs Anakin = draw
Ep 5
Anakin beats Luke
Ep 6
Luke beats Anakin
I feel like I missed some. Let me know. These are the standings:
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.800 4-1-0 Palpatine
.700 3-1-1 Dooku
.667 3-2-2 Obi-Wan
.611 4-3-2 Anakin/Vader
.500 1-1-0 Luke
.500 1-1-0 Mace
.500 1-1-1 Maul
.333 0-1-2 Grievous
.250 0-1-1 Yoda
.250 0-1-1 Qui-Gon
.000 0-1-0 Cin Drallig
.000 0-1-0 Agen Kolar
.000 0-1-0 Saesee Tiin
.000 0-1-0 Kit Fisto
No clear winner. Dooku clearly beat Obi-Wan, who clearly beat Anakin, who clearly beat Dooku (the 2nd time). And Anakin beat Mace, who beat Palpatine, who beat Yoda.
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Referring to Anakin's traitorous interjection into the Mace/Sidious duel as a duel itself is dubious.
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saber1 wrote:Referring to Anakin's traitorous interjection into the Mace/Sidious duel as a duel itself is dubious. Perhaps, but there were lightsabers, Mace didn't sense it, and Anakin won. I considered counting Vader's similar defeat of Palpatine, but no lightsabers there.
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Might as well add the following:
Vader vs Cin Drallig
Vader vs Younglings
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saber1 wrote:Referring to Anakin's traitorous interjection into the Mace/Sidious duel as a duel itself is dubious. Counting 2-on-1 duels and duels where one party runs off was also tricky. I went with the following: * 2-on-1 counts as 2 separate duels * If one person escapes from 2 people, it's a draw (Grievous vs Anakin/Obi-Wan) * In a 1-on-1 duel where 1 runs off, it's a draw if the person who flees did so of their own choice (e.g. Qui-Gon/Maul's first battle, Yoda/Dooku). It's a victory if they were forced to flee just to survive (Yoda and Sidious).
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saber1 wrote:Might as well add the following:
Vader vs Cin Drallig
Vader vs Younglings I'll add Cin Drallig, but Vader probably was able to take care of the Youngling before any of them pulled out a lightsaber.
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FlyingArrow wrote:saber1 wrote:Might as well add the following:
Vader vs Cin Drallig
Vader vs Younglings I'll add Cin Drallig, but Vader probably was able to take care of the Youngling before any of them pulled out a lightsaber. that one youngling tht killed a buch of clones in front of Bail Organa
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du·el
noun
1. a prearranged combat between two persons, fought with deadly weapons according to an accepted code of procedure, especially to settle a private quarrel.
2. any contest between two persons or parties.
I understand what you are getting at but I just can't view what Anakin did as being anything like a duel. Mace was dueling. Sidious was dueling. Anakin intervened (breaking definition number 1) and attacked his ally. Its betrayal, its an attack, but I just don't see it as a duel.
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FlyingArrow wrote:saber1 wrote:Might as well add the following:
Vader vs Cin Drallig
Vader vs Younglings I'll add Cin Drallig, but Vader probably was able to take care of the Youngling before any of them pulled out a lightsaber. The Youngling's saber was in his hand, IIRC.
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FlyingArrow wrote:From the 6 movies, we had the following lightsaber duels and outcomes...
Ep 1
Maul vs Qui Gon = draw
Maul beats Qui Gon
Obi-Wan beats Maul
Ep 2
Dooku beats Obi-Wan
Dooku beats Anakin
Dooku vs Yoda = draw
Ep 3
Dooku beats Obi-Wan
Anakin beats Dooku
Anakin vs Grievous = draw
Obi-Wan vs Grievous = draw
Obi-Wan beats Grievous
Mace beats Palpatine
Anakin beats Mace
Anakin beats Cin Drallig
Obi-Wan beats Anakin
Palpatine beats Yoda
Ep 4
Obi-Wan vs Anakin = draw
Ep 5
Anakin beats Luke
Ep 6
Luke beats Anakin
I feel like I missed some. Let me know. These are the standings:
%% W-L-T
.700 3-1-1 Dooku
.667 3-2-2 Obi-Wan
.611 4-3-2 Anakin/Vader
.500 1-1-0 Luke
.500 1-1-0 Mace
.500 1-1-0 Palpatine
.500 1-1-1 Maul
.333 0-1-2 Grievous
.250 0-1-1 Yoda
.250 0-1-1 Qui-Gon
.000 0-1-0 Cin Drallig
No clear winner. Dooku clearly beat Obi-Wan, who clearly beat Anakin, who clearly beat Dooku (the 2nd time). And Anakin beat Mace, who beat Palpatine, who beat Yoda. will u be counting the Clone Wars CGI movie as well?
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CorranHornsux123 wrote:will u be counting the Clone Wars CGI movie as well? No. That would bring in the whole series. Although if someone wants to go through the whole thing, I would be interested in seeing it.
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FlyingArrow wrote:CorranHornsux123 wrote:will u be counting the Clone Wars CGI movie as well? No. That would bring in the whole series. Although if someone wants to go through the whole thing, I would be interested in seeing it. sounds good ill get started on it (;
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FlyingArrow wrote:saber1 wrote:Referring to Anakin's traitorous interjection into the Mace/Sidious duel as a duel itself is dubious. Perhaps, but there were lightsabers, Mace didn't sense it, and Anakin won. That dosen't make it a duel, just a figurative stab in the back.
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Mace beats Palpatine
Anakin beats Mace
Those two are disputable. As stated by others, Anakin chopping off Mace's hand as an act of betrayal shouldn't really count as a duel. And there is actually a pretty decent theory that Palpatine threw the battle against Mace. According to the RotS book (which is EU canon), Mace and Palpatine were exactly evenly matched in lightsaber combat.
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Hmmmm from EP.4 I think Vader clearly won
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SignerJ wrote:
And there is actually a pretty decent theory that Palpatine threw the battle against Mace. According to the RotS book (which is EU canon), Mace and Palpatine were exactly evenly matched in lightsaber combat.
Evenly matched dosen't mean that a duel goes on forever. It means they have about an equal chance of winning.
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Cassus fett wrote:Hmmmm from EP.4 I think Vader clearly won Agreed. It seems unlikely that Obi-Wan would have gone ghost had he not been outmatched.
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corranhorn wrote:Cassus fett wrote:Hmmmm from EP.4 I think Vader clearly won Agreed. It seems unlikely that Obi-Wan would have gone ghost had he not been outmatched. Yea he pull a total Danny Phantom by going ghost (;
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CorranHornsux123 wrote:corranhorn wrote:Cassus fett wrote:Hmmmm from EP.4 I think Vader clearly won Agreed. It seems unlikely that Obi-Wan would have gone ghost had he not been outmatched. Yea he pull a total Danny Phantom by going ghost (; 
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corranhorn wrote:CorranHornsux123 wrote:corranhorn wrote:Cassus fett wrote:Hmmmm from EP.4 I think Vader clearly won Agreed. It seems unlikely that Obi-Wan would have gone ghost had he not been outmatched. Yea he pull a total Danny Phantom by going ghost (; Thought you enjoy tht Corran 
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