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AceAce wrote:Etienne, no love for me!? I talked about your squad and had it boxed at DarkDracul's the night before you left. Dang it that's right!!! Talking with you about it made me go back and tweak the squad that night after sith holo. Talking with you about it made me want to run it even more, thank you for bringing it up mike!!!
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TheHutts wrote:I feel like there's something very good for Rebels and New Republic somewhere - Dodonna (so they can keep up with activations, but aren't limited to moving just one), Disruptive, and Evade are all very good in the current meta. If tanks or Bastila aren't very popular, I even like Jason's idea from SHNN about 2010 Rebels:
--Smug Commandos (2010 Gencon Champion Squad)--
27 Han Solo, Smuggler
27 Lobot
27 Luke Skywalker, Rebel Commando
20 Princess Leia
32 Elite Rebel Commando x2
16 General Crix Madine
14 General Rieekan
12 Gha Nachkt
9 General Dodonna
8 Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Spirit (or Juno Eclipse?)
8 Mouse Droid x4
(200pts. 15 activations) It looks good, but would have some tough matchups. It just appears to be very reliant upon leia and han to me. This takes me back to 2010 when I first was introduced to the game. ERC's are still my favorite piece in the game and were the first pieces I used to build squads with. Memories!!
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atmsalad wrote:DarthMaim wrote:First of all, not all the Seps builds have Cad. Secondly, ok, cool, so Cad storms in with Furious assault, and kills "Tso'asu". All of the key devestating 10 pt nasty minis, stay alive, unscathed, with evade saves of 7 or slightly damaged with crab armor saves of 7's! Then, 2 of them storm in crushing him, as they make their "Hostage Shield saves of 7. DED Cad :) Sacrificing cad to kill the door control and the tso'asu is a great trade. It is an uphill battle in general for the vong... Out activated, lack of door control, losing init, blocked by mice walls, no range attackers, CE dependant(fall apart against disruptive), and low atk without scarification or cunning(10 is low). I am just not optimistic... Domain Lah Warrior's base attack is 6. Synergy with Lah +4, Zenoc Quah +4. So, +14 attack is low???????  This is without scarfication or cunning! Also, the Yammosk can steal "Close Quarters Fighting" from "Durge", which brings him to +18!
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Mando wrote:atmsalad wrote:DarthMaim wrote:You're overlooking The Vong's access to "Defensive Reflex " which is brought in against Durge and stops him dead in his tracks. Also, Crab Armor saves at 7's and 2's (Tsavong Lah), his strafe runs don't kill the nasty tough one's that hide and then storm 16 with twin attack, to do 40 dmg, 60 with "Scarification". Trust me, the Vong player is not going to have them right in a line to strafe them all like a conga line :) Here are some of the issues with the piece you are referring to. 1. It cannot receive commander effects, so it wont be receiving the evade from zenoc quah. They are susceptible to simply being accurately shot or furious assaulted by cad bane bounty hunter who generally accompanies Durge in seps. 2. You have to attack it, and with 24 squares of movement, it is generally pretty easy to avoid pieces like this, such as self destruct. Also, If you are making room for a Vong reinforcement piece it means that you do not have as much room for warriors in the main squad. Sure you can bring them in, but it usually means at least 1 less warrior than you normally would have. You can bring in a Tso'asu with Quorreal's reinforcements and it will get Aggressive Negotiations, making it hard to kill even for Cad Bane. So it isn't as easy as simply shooting it. I have run the Tso'asu via Qourreals reinforcements vs a Lancer + Durge on Lancer squad and it effectively provided a deterant for the opponent from strafing over my squad. I just realized though, if you do that then he cant be targeted by the strafe attacks and won't act as the strafe detterent you are looking for... I believe that is correct? (Further correction, the Tso'asu cannont gain aggresive negotiations)
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atmsalad wrote:General_Grievous wrote:Nice! Great job Atmsalad. A Very similar squad stole me the championship in the north. It's pretty versatile and tough. Nice to see such a wide spread of factions and I believe the game has never been more varied for factions. Thank you! I think this build definitely takes this squad up a notch and allows it to keep up with squads such as double swap, naboo and durge on speeder. Although I agree that the game has never been more varied for every faction in general, I don't think that every faction is equipped with a tier 1 option. Currently, I think that the only factions that have tier 1 options are Separatists, Imperials and republic. Rebels- Luke and Leia, Spec Force Wilderness and Pilots? Vong- Charging Vong(deceptively tier 2), Nomb Bombs and Praetorite Vong Scouts/Aggressive Negotiations Sith- Lord Krayt, Revan with kaan and Caedus? New Rebuplic- Super Stealth troopers, Professor Lukes Art Class and New Han? Old Republic- Bastilla and friends Mandos- Vindicated squads (either with NCO or Trevors(Tints) build that weeks played) Fringe- Talon (which may be pushed to tier 1 with Aves from v-set 10) Although these factions have many variations and different squad builds, they just cant keep up right now... I'm sorry "atmsalad" I'm just not buying the "deceptively tier 2" explanation your giving about Charging Vong :)
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DarthMaim wrote:atmsalad wrote:DarthMaim wrote:First of all, not all the Seps builds have Cad. Secondly, ok, cool, so Cad storms in with Furious assault, and kills "Tso'asu". All of the key devestating 10 pt nasty minis, stay alive, unscathed, with evade saves of 7 or slightly damaged with crab armor saves of 7's! Then, 2 of them storm in crushing him, as they make their "Hostage Shield saves of 7. DED Cad :) Sacrificing cad to kill the door control and the tso'asu is a great trade. It is an uphill battle in general for the vong... Out activated, lack of door control, losing init, blocked by mice walls, no range attackers, CE dependant(fall apart against disruptive), and low atk without scarification or cunning(10 is low). I am just not optimistic... Domain Lah Warrior's base attack is 6. Synergy with Lah +4, Zenoc Quah +4. So, +14 attack is low??????? This is without scarfication or cunning! Also, the Yammosk can steal "Close Quarters Fighting" from "Durge", which brings him to +18! What build are you referring to? I am not sure I understand why you are you running Lah?... Just trying to understand the reasoning behind that. Also, if you have at least 17 acts I think it would be better to steal san hills CE IMO...
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atmsalad wrote: I just realized though, if you do that then he cant be targeted by the strafe attacks and won't act as the strafe detterent you are looking for... I believe that is correct? (Further correction, the Tso'asu cannont gain aggresive negotiations) Good catch. I didn't see that on the non-sentient part at first. I was just thinking that since it could be brought in with reinforcements it would get it like all others do, but guess it doesn't work on the Tsa'asu. You could still protect one via a Ossus Protector that has Avoid Defeat from the Yun Ne'Shel priest. Avoid defeat 7's on a BG is really nasty. I've had that BG survive dying 3 times in a game once because of that.
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Mando wrote:I ran a updated variant of the old Skybuck squad's ran in the WotC days. Basically you just replace Dash with Mira. Spryguy1981 deserves the credit for suggesting replacing Dash with Mira. I was originally going to run Dash, but then Matt changed my mind after pointing out some of the things Mira can do that is a upgrade over Dash (better attack, door control and rigged detonators) --The Skybuck Mirage-- 51 Yoda on Kybuck 47 General Skywalker 28 Mira of Nar Shaddaa 27 Lobot 23 Captain Panaka 9 R2-D2, Astromech Droid 8 Mas Amedda 4 Gran Raider 3 Rodian Brute (200pts. 9 activations) I originally tried guessing the meta and thus i brought this squad. Well I don't think anyone even ran the Boba and Blue squad or any Talon squads all day. Would have liked to have shown the Boba and Blue squad a thing or to.  Made some bad mistakes on the day that cost me wins, but overall I think this squad performed well despite some bad matchups. I played it a bit to aggresviely in my last match vs Mark who was running Republic Commando's and once I lost Mira, the game was pretty much over. I had a bad matchup vs Jonny who was running a swap squad with AniStap. I did manage to get a win vs The Thon Song squad from a couple years ago that did well in Gencon, so I was happy with that win. Overall, I think Mira has replaced Dash from now on in the Skybuck squads. Fun tournament! Congrats on Etienne for wining it all! Tim (Chargers) did a great job of hosting it and getting everything ready to go for the hectic day, so major props to him for doing that and also judging. Mira is a great call, I was really thinking about running some variation of yobuck or daala, but I switched my squad the night before. Mira is a awesome piece, but she is sooooo squishy! lol I have lost her being overly aggressive in plenty of games. Glad I was able to meet you even if only for a couple of seconds.
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atmsalad wrote:Mando wrote:I ran a updated variant of the old Skybuck squad's ran in the WotC days. Basically you just replace Dash with Mira. Spryguy1981 deserves the credit for suggesting replacing Dash with Mira. I was originally going to run Dash, but then Matt changed my mind after pointing out some of the things Mira can do that is a upgrade over Dash (better attack, door control and rigged detonators) --The Skybuck Mirage-- 51 Yoda on Kybuck 47 General Skywalker 28 Mira of Nar Shaddaa 27 Lobot 23 Captain Panaka 9 R2-D2, Astromech Droid 8 Mas Amedda 4 Gran Raider 3 Rodian Brute (200pts. 9 activations) I originally tried guessing the meta and thus i brought this squad. Well I don't think anyone even ran the Boba and Blue squad or any Talon squads all day. Would have liked to have shown the Boba and Blue squad a thing or to. Made some bad mistakes on the day that cost me wins, but overall I think this squad performed well despite some bad matchups. I played it a bit to aggresviely in my last match vs Mark who was running Republic Commando's and once I lost Mira, the game was pretty much over. I had a bad matchup vs Jonny who was running a swap squad with AniStap. I did manage to get a win vs The Thon Song squad from a couple years ago that did well in Gencon, so I was happy with that win. Overall, I think Mira has replaced Dash from now on in the Skybuck squads. Fun tournament! Congrats on Etienne for wining it all! Tim (Chargers) did a great job of hosting it and getting everything ready to go for the hectic day, so major props to him for doing that and also judging. Mira is a great call, I was really thinking about running some variation of yobuck or daala, but I switched my squad the night before. Mira is a awesome piece, but she is sooooo squishy! lol I have lost her being overly aggressive in plenty of games. Glad I was able to meet you even if only for a couple of seconds. Yeah, it was great meeting you to! I wish that I could have stayed a bit longer to chat with ya after the tournament, but I promised my friend that I'd get him home that night so we had to take off soon after the 4 rounds of swiss were over. We had a 7 hour drive to make, but the drive was well worth it! It was great meeting a lot of the people whom I've only known by their bloomilk/swmgamers name. The tournament environment for star wars is probably the best one I've been in and there are a lot of classy gents/ladies that play this game and are just genuinely nice people. Hopefully I'll get a couple more minnesotan's to come down next year. I think me and my friends might plan a vacation at Wisconsin Dells around the time of the tournament so that we could come down for the day without having to drive back so far and enjoy a relaxing week at the resorts there.
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