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Daala and the Reasoning Options
jen'ari
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:16:48 AM
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I would like to know why Daala was not been banned or nerfed.

I KNOW that some people are tired of nerfs and they have spoken up, personally, I have given up on trying for things like Ozzel, and Thrawn, and other staples that I find as NPE's.

and for the most part I understand the reasoning.

but Daala is a different thing altogether.

Daala just won a gencon and was never beat... Sometimes won super super easily.

Daala is an auto win against some otherwise tier 1 options.
this alone should cause a nerf, counter, or ban.

It is high activation and diplomats. Two things that, separately, people do not like, combined into one entity.

I would like to know how the conversation went about Daala.

I would like for each balance committee member to sound off on their views on Daala and what and why they fought for what they did so we can come to a better understanding of why it was kept when it went undefeated and is disliked by quite a few people around the community.
jak
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:16:31 PM
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Wub On this day of LHeartVE, why bring up hate?

JK, I hate the bitch tooThumbDown
I got her banned in he first Frosty after she came out.
she's like the Vong to meCursing
I wont play against herWink
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:23:37 PM
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here's how the conversation on Daala went......

ATM-You guys think she's a problem... some committee member-yeah of course... ATM-but she breaks the dependence on thrawn in that faction so she's fine.

Committee response:

Dilly Dilly

ThumpUp ThumbsUp

lol
Darth_Frenchy
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:34:36 PM
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There it is fam, the on cue internet bullying in an attempt to get what you want. Absolutely pathetic, old and tired...
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 2:53:11 PM
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Darth_Frenchy wrote:
There it is fam, the on cue internet bullying in an attempt to get what you want. Absolutely pathetic, old and tired...



I have learned the truth is the worst kind of pain



Edit... what a lot of people want remember the peasants lobbied for months to get her changed and the committee ignored it.. I do
FlyingArrow
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:00:44 PM
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Can you link to that thread please?
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:04:49 PM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Can you look to that thread please?



Can you defend daala?
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:08:30 PM
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Tell me shes good for the game and takes skill to use I need a good laugh
Darth_Frenchy
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:22:52 PM
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Flying was asking for a Link to the thread I believe
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:27:44 PM
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Darth_Frenchy wrote:
Flying was asking for a Link to the thread I believe



And I was asking for a defense for not changing daala
FlyingArrow
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:33:52 PM
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Darth_Frenchy wrote:
Flying was asking for a Link to the thread I believe


Yes, link. Not look. Sorry. Autocorrect typo. Edited above.
TheHutts
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:35:26 PM
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Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:53:53 PM
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I'll correct my post can anyone defend the facts that:
A. Daala legitamately takes 0 and I mean 0 skill to play.
B. She's clearly overpowered
C. Even after 2 erratas she won gencon where the top players in the world are supposed to play and didnt lose a single game.-- should be eye opening.
D.By atms own admission Jangalore was a big fear for him beat it first round 3 points. 2nd match.. 3-0. Third match.. spry runnin the other squad he didn't want to face... 2-1 wow... someone got points against daala lol... 4th round 3-0... 5th... 3-0 semis.. jangalore again... 2-1 finals... 2-0 So his opponents managed to collect a whopping 2 points against him the whole tournament lol...


Defend that please...
Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 3:56:27 PM
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http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21957


Link him stating he was most afraid of jangalore and luke/leia. Which he beat a combined 3 times
Darth_Frenchy
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:15:22 PM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Darth_Frenchy wrote:
Flying was asking for a Link to the thread I believe


Yes, link. Not look. Sorry. Autocorrect typo. Edited above.

Hey no worries :)
DarkDracul
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:30:16 PM
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Etienne is the ONLY BC member to repeatedly bring up Daala asking for potiential errata.
The rest of the team has varying views on Daala but doesn't feel ANY urgency or need to change her AGAIN.

The Balance Committee has already made multiple errata to Daala.
Virtually every V-set since 2014 has been creating pieces to address her.
So most of us just want to leave Daala alone and see how things play out.

Etienne went undefeated at Gencon because he's one of the best players in SWM.
When did Jason lose a Regional last year? . . . when Etienne showed up after being gone for nearly a year.

I was at GenCon and watched the games against Etienne's Daala. Spry's squad would beat Etienne's Daala easily, and Spry would have won if it wasn't for unbelievable luck. If Deri hadn't beaten Spry in the finals, Etienne would have been hard pressed to repeat his lucky win against Spry. Paul's Jangalore squad was beating Etienne's Daala, Etienne bearly grabbed gambit last round to win. Then in the champs Deri made a critical error as Etienne cleverly set up Palleon's bubble.

So not only did Etienne have to play really really well, he needed super crazy luck, and a freakin genius level IQ opponent to screw up . . . yeah easy.RollEyes

FACT: Etienne has been fighting against Daala since the beginning.
He has done nothing but try and improve this game for everyone.
atmsalad wrote:
Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:15:47 PM
Creating pieces like daala that make a super high act squad with act control tier 1 should be something that is avoided in the future. It may be some peoples play style, but it is horrible for the game as a whole. That's what the issue really is. I was teachings one of my friends how to play and we eventually got onto the topic about snow trooper squads. The whole idea is cheap and not fun and he wasn't interested in learning a game where that's one of the top squads right now.

It appears that the powers to be are okay with games only finishing the 3rd or 4th round by the time an hour is over. For new players, and even old, it is hard to finish 3 rounds with so many activations. My match against jake in Chicago barely got in 3, we finished the 2nd with 5 seconds left in the hour. We both were running big squads and I am new.

It would seam to me like we would want the game to be pushed in a direction that makes it fun for new players. Not frustrating which is where it is at. Does the design team realize that? I know they hear the constant complaints that they have heard for the past three years, but do they realize that the game can be actually discouraging for new players?
Darth_Frenchy
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:40:18 PM
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My Gencon win was all Daala, really I played no part in it. The whole time I just trusted she would do her thing. If I ever had any doubt I would just whisper to myself "heart of the squad" and she would take care of the rest. The power of the bond between a boy and his squad won the day. Brings a tear to my eyes thinking about it.
DarkDracul
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:53:09 PM
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My opinion is to put, “Clickbait” as the title of this thread and move it to offtopic.
Just so we dont drag actual flamers in, sound good? :p
edit: or “joke thread” instead of clickbait.
jak
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:57:05 PM
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this just in.......................
SWM is JUST a game.....................
holy cow!
how do you people handle real issues

Deaths_Baine
Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:58:20 PM
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As funny as that is its basically the truth. How hard is it to stand in cover with diplomats force immunitty and charge from 12 squares with boosts that can't be interupted lol. I mean come on don't act like that takes skill lol. Sure maybe just maybe against Leia speeder I'll give you that one I guess. But come on its a squad that takes a decent player and makes them great. I mean come on two people collected 100 points that's it. I mean for crying out loud when you kill when one of those overpowered pieces because of daala you get what 5 points... pathetic
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