I issue a formal challenge to everyone in the 2018 SWM Championship this year at GenCon...……………………………………………………………….


Win the Champs not playing either Imperials or Rebels! Let's see some change in our game! Challenge yourself ladies and gentlemen. These are the 2 dominant factions since 2004, and they have won the most G'Con champs!


Come on! I know someone can do it! With all the 15 virtual sets that have been done now since Wizards reign, to help balance our game, can someone please demonstrate that it can be done more consistently with other factions? Yes I know that OR, Mandos, Republic, and NR have won before. But throw us another bone here, and show us that these other faction victories were not just one off flukes.



My Kingdom for another faction victory this year. I know someone has it in them



"Help us Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're our only hope."

It would be nice to see. But I don't know how it can happen unless the and imperial squads are just not used.

Daala and thrawn are still top of the list.

Rebels have so many tricks. Ghost crew could potentially win gencon over other factions (sad).

But I am curious about New Republic (but maybe next year is there year?)
I am also curious about some powerful OR.

Best tier: Rebel, Imperial
Close: New Republic
High Average: Mando's, Old Republic
Low Average: Republic, Fringe
Below Average: Sith, Separatists


But I suspect a lot of people to bring tier 1.5 squads like last year.

@jak I am playing Republic or New Republic. My stinky house loan is taking forever to figure out. But closing is set for Thursday so.... I have to know before then if underwriting accepted the loan.

Old Republic is High Average at best. Its best squads are Triple Ven and Hex Droids. Which are great squads, but I do not see them being "Close" to New Republic, Rebels, and Imperials. (they have out activation and cheap, good tech that includes powerful movement breakers and defense).

Republic is low average because everyone plays Yoda and Cin/Serra. Cin/Serra is simply devastated by Disrutpive and is typically out activated decently easily. Yoda can always be dangerous but never seems to be enough to close out a top tier torunament, People are wise to kill R2 and the squad type has been played against so many times it takes a top Kybuck player to make it far, imo. Spry is a great Kybuck player.
I think ERC's are the only way to go. Here is an ERC build that I think would do well. not totally obliterated by Disrutpive.
http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/187363/gencon-republic--together-we-stand


Vong can fall anywhere depending on match up, they are truly Average imo. but I do not like discussing them very much.

I am rooting for New Republic this year.

P.S. what would your Separatist squad be that makes it High Average?

Wheelbike + Snipers/Spotters used to be top tier until they lost their ability to move before initiative. Lancers, yuck never played them but got shut down from Buzz Droids. Dooku was solid but the double nerf to poggle bombs knocked him down a tier. Huges still aren't there yet, and I don't count Sep Black Sun squads because they feels fringe haha.

That being said Battle Droids finally got their first Disruptive/ABM-proof CE so may have a potent squad there, and Dooku is still good, it's trying to find the 100 points of support that are best with him. And somehow fit in Grievous because he's just so cool hahaha. Vong definitely have what it takes, but who will bring them? I'm way to north to come participate but looking forward to the play report and standings. Get some!

I saw that.
People like Daman, tint, Urbanjedi, and deathsbaine winning does not give much information. They can win with almost anything.
Also, I am very curious who he played (squads). Poggle bombs are always going to be problematic. But there just seems to be a decent amount of counters to this squad.

I can't see all the nz squads from that fb link thing

Still top tier. Talked to Daman about his undefeated NZ squad. He said EV-9D9 would only slow him down a little. She really didn't stress him much.

And thank god. Even as someone who had tons of success with Lancers - they needed to go away.

Poggle Bombs are still viable (again - see Daman's squad)

Agreed

They are still Seps.



There seems to be a prevalent misconception (not only you Grievous) that just because something was given a counter or adjusted by the balance team that makes it unplayable.

Poggle bombs - still good

Spotters/snipers - still good

Remember - Daala still won GenCon after multiple nerfs.


Get creative with the builds. Instead of throwing your arms up in defeat, try and see if you can still make it work.

Daman is proving it can be done. I was told that the Spotter/Sniper droids were completely useless now because of the existence of EV-9D9. I was told toggle bombs aren't worth using anymore. Our good friend from NZ is proving both of those wrong in one squad.



Beyond that - Grievous my man (and I hope you know I say this with a smile and in good nature) - open up your mind and learn to enjoy playing other factions and squad types. If something gets countered, try something new!

I'd take EV9-D9 against a squad where the primary focus is BXs, but in Daman's squad, the primary focus is Durge, really, or at least there's a mix of three different threats. Can't really afford to spend 19 points on reinforcements just to slow down one of the three components of the squad.

Of the nerfed stuff, I'm kind of interested in how good Blast Bugs are now. They were super good before, but I'm sure there's still a competitive squad with them that would do really well in some metas.

Fair points Timmer but with Poggle bombs I think you took me out of context, I was saying the Poggle Bombs nerf of no more 2 point characters and costlier Poggle made Dooku less effective since he lost his activation fodder and they work so well with his CE that you really notice the cut in drone numbers. Still alright but no longer top tier like it was. And agreed RIP Lancers and never return, I agreed to never play them again to not chase away players as they were such an NPE for people.

And I would like to see his squad out of curiousity. But that's cool he made it work for him. They're still good just not the top in my opinion since EV. Also you can't compare to Daala because as long as she has Prideful for Imperials she'll always be top tier, multiple nerds or not. Some nerfs are harder or lesser needed than others just as some pieces are simply always that good haha.

And I dabble in other squads from time to time, namely Vong but occasionally the others too. But I wouldn't be a very good General Grievous if I didn't heroically lead my Separatist forces into battle first and foremost! All hail the Confederacy!

If my maths is right, he could have had 18 drone in that squad, but now he has 10. It's a lot less obscene this way.

Looks like a sound squad thanks for the link! And seems to have a bit of everything. Again my point was about Dooku specifically as squads with him + Force user to teach + Poggle leaves you very few drones or points for other support.