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I know that we discussed this before the Indiana regional and some other places, but I don't remember this ever being asked on the boards for an official answer.
Can the Yammosk steal the +4,+10 c.e. of Talon in an all fringe squad if the Vong player is playing an all Vong squad?
This is what Talons Card says : While your squad contains only Fringe characters, allies get +4 Attack and +10 Damage.
This is what the Yammosk Card says : Telepathic Insight (During setup, after seeing your opponent's squad, you may choose one commander effect. This character gains this commander effect and any faction specific effects become Yuuzhan Vong specific effects.)
The part in Bold is the part I'm looking at. Does "While your squad contains only Fringe characters" count as a faction specific effect?
It was ruled No at Indiana, This is just to get an official answer out there so that no one else is left in the dark or wondering the same thing.
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It was ruled no? I would have thought it would be a yes....
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That's a restriction, not an effect. The effect is "allies get +4 Attack and +10 Damage". It's similar to how Mas Amedda doesn't affect GOWK's CE.
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Ah, well when you put it that way...
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Echo24 wrote:That's a restriction, not an effect. The effect is "allies get +4 Attack and +10 Damage". It's similar to how Mas Amedda doesn't affect GOWK's CE. Its a condition. Restriction in CE's are range, unique status, faction and character type (pilot etc) that a character must be in order for them to be applicable to the commander effect. Conditions (being within 6 of an ally, having all fringe) is a game state that must be met for the ability to function. Con artist defines range and labels as restrictions. Talon and GOWK have conditions in their CEs.
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I think of CEs with the following framework.
For example, GOWK:
Trigger: (continuous)
Condition: has an ally within 6 squares
Restrictions on recipients: followers
Benefit: gains +4 attack and +4 defense
Talon Karrde:
Trigger: (continuous)
Condition: While your squad contains only Fringe characters
Restrictions on recipients: allies
Benefit: get +4 Attack and +10 Damage
General Skywalker:
Trigger: End their move
Condition:
Restrictions on recipients: Followers within 6 squares
Benefit: gain Momentum this turn
Princess Leia, Rebel Commando
Trigger: (continuous)
Condition: this character is wounded
Restrictions on recipients: Unique Rebel allies within 6 squares
Benefit: get +10 Damage
Or, for a more complicated example...
Qui-Gon Jinn, Force Spirit
Trigger: Whenever a Unique follower with a Force rating is defeated by an enemy,
Condition: the two recipients of this commander effect must be within 6 squares of each other
Restrictions on recipients: An ally who was just defeated and another Unique follower with a Force rating
Benefit: the second ally gets the defeated character's remaining Force points.
Whenever a Unique follower with a Force rating is defeated by an enemy, a Unique follower with a Force rating within 6 squares get the defeated character's remaining Force points.
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fingersandteeth wrote:Echo24 wrote:That's a restriction, not an effect. The effect is "allies get +4 Attack and +10 Damage". It's similar to how Mas Amedda doesn't affect GOWK's CE. Its a condition. Restriction in CE's are range, unique status, faction and character type (pilot etc) that a character must be in order for them to be applicable to the commander effect. Conditions (being within 6 of an ally, having all fringe) is a game state that must be met for the ability to function. Con artist defines range and labels as restrictions. Talon and GOWK have conditions in their CEs. Right, condition was what I meant, not restriction.
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