Does this guy's +10 damage stack with Supreme Leader's Snoke's "While your squad contains only First Order characters: Allies within 6 squares get +4 Attack and +10 Damage." my instinct is that they would not.
Question regarding this commander effect: If I play him with a Mouse Droid, can I use Relay Orders to proc his swap ability at the end of his turn, so that 2 characters within 6 of the mouse droid can swap?
Gandalf and I (the main rules people) came up with that wording when we realized the ability to extend the CE would be problematic. I think the rationale for doing it this way was that the clause is question was to be considered a condition for being able to use the CE, and therefore not extendable. I do get the confusion, since its' the character within 6 squares is being affected, but also, the intent was definitely not to create an essentially boardwide movement breaker.
I'm not even really sure how to be clearer without getting more wordy.
That may be the case. It reads as though Bail interacts with Relay Orders. Maybe the wording could be updated then? -- Either way, I love this piece. It's very neat.
I do know that it has the same wording template as the twilek jedi general and that piece was specifically designed/worded to not be extendable by mas/mouse/etc.
Well yes. But the only real difference between Bail and GOWK from that perspective is that it's conditioned on being close to Bail as opposed to another ally. It's still a condition. I think.
Which I guess that could be what I am trying to say: Bail's precondition is that an ally has to be within 6 (the precondition,) but then Relay Orders says for the purposes of Command Effects I can count to the mouse droid. So to me it seems if luke is 12 squares away from bail but 3 squares from the mouse droid, the CE would still work and he could be placed adjacent to Bail.
My 2 cents is that GOWK does not apply here because he's CE is already unlimited, it's just that the precondition for it is that the follower has to have an ally within 6.
I might be wrong about the mice, actually. I know the TJG is explicitly not to be extendable by Mas (for the same reason GOWK's CE isn't extendable), but I guess I can't really articulate the mouse thing.
Thanks for the response. Forgive me, but Relay Orders says: "Each allied commander can count distance from this character as well as from itself for the purpose of commander effects" and the Commander Effect in question says if he has an ally within 6. Why doesn't the mount droid count then?
Adjacent is not a range, so it doesn't work with mice.
No. This is the same CE as the Twi'lek Jedi General. The "if this character has an ally within 6 squares" is a condition of being able to use the CE. If it said "choose a character within 6 squares" it would be extendable. This is on purpose.
I have a question about this Commander Effect. If Bail is 12 squares away from Luke Skywalker, and a mouse droid is 3 squares away from Luke Skywalker, then at the end of Bail's turn, can I them place that Luke (who is 12 squares from Bail but 3 from a mouse droid) adjacent to Bail?
I agree that she is quite good. She has a lot of abilities for 30pts. She has a lot of damage potential. Telekenesis is bad ass, almost a shame more pieces don't have it. I don't think she as a character should cost more, but with what she has, she is a steal for 30pts, even if you're playing her all by herself with no synergies.
I really struggle with this piece. If I had to guess, her defensive abilities aren't in evade/LSD etc, but in cloaked and Escape Manuever. Still, with 90HP and 17 DEF she eats it professionally when someone rolls up on her. I suppose there are some support pieces that help her out but it always feels like I am investing a lot of points into this piece who, on a good day, might do 40-80dmg. I don't know. I want to like her. Maybe I just bring Talia in if I ever want to play this chick.
The character would have to move at least one square if they choose to replace their turn. Movement is a mandatory part of the effect, as are the attack and the ability. Moving zero squares is not movement. http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=31724
"A transported ally may return to the battle grid immediately before its activation or the first activation of the round" Does this mean, at the beginning of the round, only 1 transported ally can jump off the Skiff, or can all that are embarked jump off?
Okay, so my next question is how would it stack with Guantlet Knife from a Trandoshan Black Sun Thug? Gauntlet knife assumes adjacent and makes the attack count as melee. Can it be stacked on Twin Blaster?
Looking at this piece giving spotter +10 to followers in the very last set wizards made really tells me how much they were rooting for combining fire to be an essential part of the game. Almost stubbornly insisting on it 😅
5/5/2026 9:08:37 AM
Your instinct would be correct.
5/4/2026 5:10:28 PM
Does this guy's +10 damage stack with Supreme Leader's Snoke's "While your squad contains only First Order characters: Allies within 6 squares get +4 Attack and +10 Damage." my instinct is that they would not.
5/3/2026 2:16:11 PM
This piece is an absolute monster even if Relay Orders doesn't ping with it.
5/3/2026 9:48:56 AM
Just a random thought from an old man: Can we get her errata'd to ALSO block the Yammosk WAR coordinator?
5/2/2026 8:41:42 AM
It's the same CE as all Imperial Thrawns, which is traditionally paired with Mas or Mouse droids for a more powerful swap
5/1/2026 11:20:49 PM
Yeah, you can swap characters at the end of thrawns turn who are within 6 squares of him or allies with relay orders
5/1/2026 10:17:37 PM
Question regarding this commander effect: If I play him with a Mouse Droid, can I use Relay Orders to proc his swap ability at the end of his turn, so that 2 characters within 6 of the mouse droid can swap?
5/1/2026 9:33:29 PM
Okay. I appreciate your response, and I am not trying to step on toes. I'll DM you.
5/1/2026 1:58:01 PM
Gandalf and I (the main rules people) came up with that wording when we realized the ability to extend the CE would be problematic. I think the rationale for doing it this way was that the clause is question was to be considered a condition for being able to use the CE, and therefore not extendable. I do get the confusion, since its' the character within 6 squares is being affected, but also, the intent was definitely not to create an essentially boardwide movement breaker. I'm not even really sure how to be clearer without getting more wordy.
5/1/2026 12:16:50 PM (Updated: 5/1/2026 12:20:48 PM)
That may be the case. It reads as though Bail interacts with Relay Orders. Maybe the wording could be updated then? -- Either way, I love this piece. It's very neat.
5/1/2026 12:51:32 AM
I do know that it has the same wording template as the twilek jedi general and that piece was specifically designed/worded to not be extendable by mas/mouse/etc.
4/30/2026 7:40:09 PM
Well yes. But the only real difference between Bail and GOWK from that perspective is that it's conditioned on being close to Bail as opposed to another ally. It's still a condition. I think.
4/30/2026 6:39:08 PM
Which I guess that could be what I am trying to say: Bail's precondition is that an ally has to be within 6 (the precondition,) but then Relay Orders says for the purposes of Command Effects I can count to the mouse droid. So to me it seems if luke is 12 squares away from bail but 3 squares from the mouse droid, the CE would still work and he could be placed adjacent to Bail.
4/30/2026 6:29:13 PM
My 2 cents is that GOWK does not apply here because he's CE is already unlimited, it's just that the precondition for it is that the follower has to have an ally within 6.
4/30/2026 6:12:46 PM
I might be wrong about the mice, actually. I know the TJG is explicitly not to be extendable by Mas (for the same reason GOWK's CE isn't extendable), but I guess I can't really articulate the mouse thing.
4/30/2026 6:03:59 PM
Thanks for the response. Forgive me, but Relay Orders says: "Each allied commander can count distance from this character as well as from itself for the purpose of commander effects" and the Commander Effect in question says if he has an ally within 6. Why doesn't the mount droid count then?
4/30/2026 5:00:08 PM
Adjacent is not a range, so it doesn't work with mice. No. This is the same CE as the Twi'lek Jedi General. The "if this character has an ally within 6 squares" is a condition of being able to use the CE. If it said "choose a character within 6 squares" it would be extendable. This is on purpose.
4/30/2026 3:26:45 PM
I have a question about this Commander Effect. If Bail is 12 squares away from Luke Skywalker, and a mouse droid is 3 squares away from Luke Skywalker, then at the end of Bail's turn, can I them place that Luke (who is 12 squares from Bail but 3 from a mouse droid) adjacent to Bail?
4/29/2026 2:05:19 PM
I agree that she is quite good. She has a lot of abilities for 30pts. She has a lot of damage potential. Telekenesis is bad ass, almost a shame more pieces don't have it. I don't think she as a character should cost more, but with what she has, she is a steal for 30pts, even if you're playing her all by herself with no synergies.
4/29/2026 11:43:49 AM
Honestly, probably too good for the points. She is a beast.
4/27/2026 9:27:31 PM
You're so right! I didn't even see it. Thank you.
4/27/2026 8:59:08 PM
He gets IO from Bail Organa
4/27/2026 6:04:47 PM
I'd love to see Independent Outfit on this guy. I don't think it would break anything.
4/27/2026 4:39:42 PM
Would his secondary CE proc off of a Mouse Droid? In other woulds could I move an ally with a force rating adjacent to a mouse droid and/or Organa?
4/27/2026 8:28:49 AM
http://www.bloomilk.com/Squad/266196/sky-to-the-guy Maybe something like this? More damage output, more survivability, more defensive options?
4/25/2026 8:31:44 PM
I haven't quite figured her out either. She's fun with a lot of Master in the squad, but hard to optimize.
4/25/2026 1:24:28 PM
I really struggle with this piece. If I had to guess, her defensive abilities aren't in evade/LSD etc, but in cloaked and Escape Manuever. Still, with 90HP and 17 DEF she eats it professionally when someone rolls up on her. I suppose there are some support pieces that help her out but it always feels like I am investing a lot of points into this piece who, on a good day, might do 40-80dmg. I don't know. I want to like her. Maybe I just bring Talia in if I ever want to play this chick.
11/4/2024 1:41:31 AM (Updated: 4/25/2026 5:08:31 AM)
What's this Apprentice ability for? (Edit: Found it for anyone who's interested - Sidious Emperor has Master for a movement breaker)
4/24/2026 6:12:10 PM
Ok, I am tracking. Thanks!
4/24/2026 6:00:54 PM
She doesn't like flying. I thought it was funny.
4/24/2026 5:28:23 PM
What's up with the quote?
4/22/2026 11:16:10 PM
ah, you have to move. That makes this SA a little less rough
4/22/2026 11:00:46 PM
Thanks for the verification! Having to move at least a little makes sense.
4/22/2026 9:23:06 AM (Updated: 4/22/2026 11:30:04 AM)
UP TO their speed - you would have to move at least 1 square; can't just ignore the part of the CE you don't like!
4/22/2026 10:38:47 AM
The character would have to move at least one square if they choose to replace their turn. Movement is a mandatory part of the effect, as are the attack and the ability. Moving zero squares is not movement. http://www.bloomilk.com/Forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=31724
4/22/2026 2:16:27 AM
What is the ruling on TimmerB’s question? Does one HAVE to move to use the CE?
4/22/2026 1:16:18 AM
This piece is busted
4/21/2026 11:08:57 PM
All can (but why would you?)
4/21/2026 10:43:20 PM
"A transported ally may return to the battle grid immediately before its activation or the first activation of the round" Does this mean, at the beginning of the round, only 1 transported ally can jump off the Skiff, or can all that are embarked jump off?
4/21/2026 6:23:18 AM
An attack can't be both melee and nonmelee so you'd only be able to use one of those at a time.
4/21/2026 1:52:28 AM
Okay, so my next question is how would it stack with Guantlet Knife from a Trandoshan Black Sun Thug? Gauntlet knife assumes adjacent and makes the attack count as melee. Can it be stacked on Twin Blaster?
4/21/2026 1:42:29 AM
Nickname's 2010 WotC Glossary defines Damage Reduction # universally. https://www.swmgamers.com/PDF/Rules/StarWarsMinis_Glossary_WotC_Final.pdf
4/21/2026 12:55:04 AM
Sure does!
4/20/2026 8:00:12 PM
To confirm, does Skip Tracer stack with Twin Blaster 20?
4/20/2026 7:57:01 PM
Correct.
4/20/2026 1:04:43 PM
After reading Outsider, am I to conclude that these guys would not benefit from things like Master Shaper, Scarification. etc?
4/15/2026 8:13:44 PM
Looking at this piece giving spotter +10 to followers in the very last set wizards made really tells me how much they were rooting for combining fire to be an essential part of the game. Almost stubbornly insisting on it 😅
4/14/2026 5:03:32 PM
Yeah he's hard to build with. As lead designer, I actually agree that he should have had Makashi. Missed opportunity for sure.
4/14/2026 1:35:50 PM
I love this piece even though idk wtf to do with it. Triple and leaping assault are awesome. He's just a mean Tyranus reminiscent of the old 49pt one.
4/13/2026 6:46:43 PM
Can I use Surge-Coral Implants to give Embo a force point and then haunt him with a force spirit?