My problem is that Shmi isn't taking damage from the attack; she is making the character attack her - so it's not redirecting the damage, it's redirecting the attack. Probably still can't becasue of Indiscriminate, but thought I'd check.
Sith rage works against immunity because it effects the attackers stats, not the defender. I believe the same would be true for overwhelm based on its wording. This is from the FAQ: Force Immunity does not protect against Force powers that boost the attacker's statistics or abilities. Thus, when attacking a character with Force Immunity, the attacker can benefit from Lightsaber Precision, Sith Rage, Force Valor, and so on.
I think the shmi question is answered by the bodyguard blurb: (Glossary Text):
When this character makes an attack, damage from its attacks cannot be prevented or redirected this turn. Enemies cannot use abilities such as Evade or Lightsaber Deflect to avoid damage, Damage Reduction has no effect, and abilities such as Bodyguard cannot force this character to deal damage to a different character. Likewise, abilities that reflect damage back to the attacker have no effect against this character's attacks.
Can I seek some rules clarification on Overwhelming Power and Indiscriminate vs Shmi's Decoy, and Overwhelming Force/Sith Rage vs Force Immunity? No reason.
This one's for the Galactic Escalation tournament, where the point limit for this round is 175 (Last round was 125, next round is 225 then 375). This squad, with two -5 rapports on Anakin and two -3 rapports on the 501st trooper followers, should come out to be exactly 175. That being said, I am studying engineering so have been known to make estimations, so if I got the math wrong now is a great time to tell me!
Made this squad back in 2017. Does the same. In my original iteration, I had a Cerka to allow him to Jolt. With Talon, you get the extra damage, and you get to move Cad up to 6 no matter who wins initiative. You win, move him into 6 shots, you lose, move him out of danger.
--He's A Baaaad Man--
55 Xizor, Head of Black Sun
54 Cad Bane
32 Talon Karrde, Information Broker
23 Nautolan Black Sun Vigo
11 Human Bodyguard
8 R7 Astromech Droid
5 Porg
6 Mouse Droid x2
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2
(200pts. 11 activations)
Yeah override is probably better. My goal while creating this squad was a character with accurate shot that can jolt as many enemies as possible while going first on initiative. Removed Dash for a Ranger, R7, and activations.
My understanding is that an ability generally does not stack with itself. I could be wrong, but I think it's the same reason you can't, for example, give Cunning +10 and Cunning +20 to somebody. That's my understanding at least.
Blah Blah Words 8/5/2026 9:06:57 PM (Updated: 8/5/2026 9:09:41 PM)
Solid list TBH. You could also take out Luke and Biggs, and with those points get Mon Mothma for another +4 +10, meaning the Aces could hit at +12 +50. Add a technician and they can Jolt. Leia Hoth Commander could bring them back on a save of 16. Klat Captain would give speed 8 and evade. Lots of ideas for the this blob.
Roan Fel's rival doesn't allow him to be played with Vader of Lothal sadly. I'd consider a Death Trooper or 2. They get Opp from Lumiya and have extra door shenanigans.
Artoo and Leia both give +2 with his CE and her Synergy (Hand Signals allows the former even adjacent to Tulak). Overwhelming Force also helps a little- still doesn't make it easy though as he can teleport away after the first attack
For a special scenario trying to recreate operation knightfall.
The imperial player will setup on both sides of the map with their forces devided as evenly as possible. Anakin will take on side and legion clone commander will take another. The one with the legion clone commander will have the most legion clone troopers.
by spryguy1981
11/1/2026 9:19:59 PM
Yes Indiscriminate would prevent the use of Decoy
by spryguy1981
11/1/2026 5:53:23 PM
Ah, good point. You're probably right on that shmi ruling.
by spryguy1981
11/1/2026 12:33:55 AM
My problem is that Shmi isn't taking damage from the attack; she is making the character attack her - so it's not redirecting the damage, it's redirecting the attack. Probably still can't becasue of Indiscriminate, but thought I'd check.
by spryguy1981
10/31/2026 2:45:51 PM
Sith rage works against immunity because it effects the attackers stats, not the defender. I believe the same would be true for overwhelm based on its wording. This is from the FAQ: Force Immunity does not protect against Force powers that boost the attacker's statistics or abilities. Thus, when attacking a character with Force Immunity, the attacker can benefit from Lightsaber Precision, Sith Rage, Force Valor, and so on.
by spryguy1981
10/31/2026 2:38:26 PM (Updated: 10/31/2026 2:38:51 PM)
I think the shmi question is answered by the bodyguard blurb: (Glossary Text): When this character makes an attack, damage from its attacks cannot be prevented or redirected this turn. Enemies cannot use abilities such as Evade or Lightsaber Deflect to avoid damage, Damage Reduction has no effect, and abilities such as Bodyguard cannot force this character to deal damage to a different character. Likewise, abilities that reflect damage back to the attacker have no effect against this character's attacks.
by spryguy1981
10/31/2026 8:20:58 AM
Yes you can seek it
by spryguy1981
10/30/2026 9:26:17 PM
Can I seek some rules clarification on Overwhelming Power and Indiscriminate vs Shmi's Decoy, and Overwhelming Force/Sith Rage vs Force Immunity? No reason.
by Lightsaber
10/22/2026 9:23:13 AM
This one's for the Galactic Escalation tournament, where the point limit for this round is 175 (Last round was 125, next round is 225 then 375). This squad, with two -5 rapports on Anakin and two -3 rapports on the 501st trooper followers, should come out to be exactly 175. That being said, I am studying engineering so have been known to make estimations, so if I got the math wrong now is a great time to tell me!
by Lightsaber
10/21/2026 8:57:00 PM
Why is it only 191 points?
by thereisnotry
10/1/2026 10:29:34 AM
I think (hope) that the community has unanimously agreed that Tulak is kinda lame
by thereisnotry
9/30/2026 8:38:06 AM
Luke is a +18 against Tulak if he's close enough to Leia, but he can still Teleport away after 1 hit.
by thereisnotry
9/29/2026 9:58:56 PM
I want to like it, but I have a feeling Sabine is still necessary over Lando. Im imagining trying to hit Tulak.
by dengardude2
9/24/2026 4:25:37 PM
Made this squad back in 2017. Does the same. In my original iteration, I had a Cerka to allow him to Jolt. With Talon, you get the extra damage, and you get to move Cad up to 6 no matter who wins initiative. You win, move him into 6 shots, you lose, move him out of danger. --He's A Baaaad Man-- 55 Xizor, Head of Black Sun 54 Cad Bane 32 Talon Karrde, Information Broker 23 Nautolan Black Sun Vigo 11 Human Bodyguard 8 R7 Astromech Droid 5 Porg 6 Mouse Droid x2 6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2 (200pts. 11 activations)
by dengardude2
9/16/2026 7:41:58 PM
A Defel Pirate at 10 pts kills the MTB when you want it to
by dengardude2
9/14/2026 7:38:44 PM
I just realized Tactics Broker is not an optional ability. Now I see the problem haha
by dengardude2
9/14/2026 2:32:02 PM
Yeah override is probably better. My goal while creating this squad was a character with accurate shot that can jolt as many enemies as possible while going first on initiative. Removed Dash for a Ranger, R7, and activations.
by dengardude2
9/13/2026 10:21:24 PM
Muun Bad. He will broker others to death, but not himself. Ironic.
by dengardude2
9/13/2026 4:48:55 AM
Gholli69 raises a good point. The broker is probably eating the czerka scientist on turn 3 and then we're down to just accurate cad bane.
by dengardude2
9/12/2026 8:52:13 PM
I would defintely swap that MTB for an R7. More door control and not having to eat your own squad will be very advantageous
by dengardude2
9/12/2026 12:55:28 PM
What's the plan against Override?
by DarkDracul
8/30/2026 10:43:43 AM
10 for creativity - giving Vader LS Assault and Renewal 2 when Bane dies is awesome. And of course Dominating with the Gizka.
by AceAce
8/22/2026 3:00:54 AM
--World Record Hit Point Squad-- 57 General Grievous, Droid Army Commander 105 T1 Series Bulk Loader Droid x5 15 Daultay Dofine 9 Battle Droid Officer 9 Peli Motto 3 Ugnaught Demolitionist 2 Kneesaa, Ewok Princess (200pts. 11 activations)
by dengardude2
8/16/2026 1:55:31 PM
I think your larger problem is finding a 5x5 space to set up all your characters in the perfect orientation, and +7 attack...
by dengardude2
8/16/2026 5:11:12 AM
My understanding is that an ability generally does not stack with itself. I could be wrong, but I think it's the same reason you can't, for example, give Cunning +10 and Cunning +20 to somebody. That's my understanding at least.
by dengardude2
8/15/2026 6:28:56 PM
Does it say that in the FAQ anywhere? I couldn’t find anything
by dengardude2
8/15/2026 5:18:24 AM
Ground Pilot does not stack with itself, FYI. :(
by thereisnotry
8/14/2026 11:07:31 PM
Okay, that's mostly true, he is awesome.
by thereisnotry
8/14/2026 7:45:47 AM
Impossible. Wicket is already perfect
by thereisnotry
8/14/2026 1:26:31 AM
@adamb0nd, please make a custom Wicket, Hero of Endor!
by Randy
8/6/2026 3:43:08 PM
I sent a small amount of time squad building with Kreia.
by Randy
8/6/2026 8:18:44 AM
I had commented on your other Outcast Echani squad wondering why Brianna wasn't in it... turns out you've thought of everything
by Darth_Reignir
8/5/2026 9:15:17 PM
Well I certainly can't get walked all over by someone who played the game once again, that's for sure.
by Darth_Reignir
8/5/2026 9:06:57 PM (Updated: 8/5/2026 9:09:41 PM)
Solid list TBH. You could also take out Luke and Biggs, and with those points get Mon Mothma for another +4 +10, meaning the Aces could hit at +12 +50. Add a technician and they can Jolt. Leia Hoth Commander could bring them back on a save of 16. Klat Captain would give speed 8 and evade. Lots of ideas for the this blob.
by Lightsaber
8/4/2026 5:11:16 AM
Every time, man :P
by Lightsaber
8/3/2026 11:53:51 PM
Pretty good - btw Hanharr's Rapport is only for the original Kreia.
by Blah Blah Words
8/3/2026 3:38:28 PM
Thanks for catching that. Updated!
by Blah Blah Words
8/3/2026 1:03:35 PM (Updated: 8/3/2026 1:05:03 PM)
Roan Fel's rival doesn't allow him to be played with Vader of Lothal sadly. I'd consider a Death Trooper or 2. They get Opp from Lumiya and have extra door shenanigans.
by DarkDracul
7/30/2026 7:52:39 PM
You're welcome! Nice work with one of my semi-random designs!
by DarkDracul
7/30/2026 6:01:23 PM
Won the Bounty Hunters and Assassins Sideways tournament
by gandalfthegreatestwizard
7/26/2026 10:31:03 PM
Rapport takes effect when you build the squad. Anakin doesn't get 501st via Camaraderie until during setup.
by gandalfthegreatestwizard
7/26/2026 7:59:43 PM
Sorry, can you please explain why he doesn't get the 501st Rapport?
by gandalfthegreatestwizard
7/26/2026 7:26:58 PM
25. He doesn't get the 501st Rapport.
by gandalfthegreatestwizard
7/26/2026 6:11:11 PM
Does the "Rapport" special ability stack ( Anakin, Rex/Ahsoka, Tarkin ), making Anakin cost only 22 pts?
by Blah Blah Words
7/24/2026 3:30:45 AM
That's Robert Zombie to you pal
by Blah Blah Words
7/20/2026 7:18:21 PM
The only thing this team needs to be good is Captain Tarpal and Mako
by adamb0nd
7/16/2026 11:27:21 PM
Artoo and Leia both give +2 with his CE and her Synergy (Hand Signals allows the former even adjacent to Tulak). Overwhelming Force also helps a little- still doesn't make it easy though as he can teleport away after the first attack
by Snaphanen
7/16/2026 5:31:38 PM
For a special scenario trying to recreate operation knightfall. The imperial player will setup on both sides of the map with their forces devided as evenly as possible. Anakin will take on side and legion clone commander will take another. The one with the legion clone commander will have the most legion clone troopers.
by adamb0nd
7/14/2026 5:28:39 PM
Also concerned about the lack of attack bonus. I'm not sure how heroes of Endor deal with the likes of Tulok
by adamb0nd
7/14/2026 5:48:50 AM
I'm questioning if son of Skywalker isn't the better Luke to pair with lando. Or maybe dump Luke and run mothma with something else useful
by Blah Blah Words
7/13/2026 10:18:46 PM
Maybe the true Megyn Kelly was the friends we made along the way