Just working on some stuff...ignore for now!

SO FAR...
1) Scoring per game is by adding defeated character points with gambit points for each player. (IF gambit is deemed necessary)
2) Winner of each game receives 200 extra points added to their total points.
3) Defeated character points and gambit points must be recorded for each player in every game.
4) This continues each round thru the semifinals. Adding all points together for a rolling total points. This is the player’s score thru the tournament.
5) For the finals, the winner gets 200 pts per tier added to their total points. The person who lost gets 100 pts per tier added to their total points. These are bonuses/prizes for getting to the final and will boost the player’s overall rankings.

Note: all scoring below does include gambit points. Just wanted to note that it’s not purely defeated points total.

PAST TOURNAMENTS...

SNOWY REGIONAL
As reported...
Tourney: snowy regional: Round 1
TimmerB123 (3 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (0 pts) : (217 - 87)
DarthFrenchy (3 pts) defeated DarkDracul (1 pts) : (140 - 106)
Thereisnotry (3 pts) defeated Adamb0nd (1 pts) : (216 - 135)
Randy (3 pts) defeated Caedus (0 pts) : (200 - 50)

Tourney: snowy regional: Round 2
DarthFrenchy (2 pts) defeated TimmerB123 (0 pts) : (128 - 43)
Randy (3 pts) defeated Thereisnotry (1 pts) : (200 - 141)
DarkDracul (3 pts) defeated Adamb0nd (0 pts) : (200 - 58)
UrbanShmi (3 pts) defeated Caedus (0 pts) : (200 - 37)

Tourney: snowy regional: Round 3
DarthFrenchy (3 pts) defeated Randy (0 pts) : (200 - 20)
TimmerB123 (2 pts) defeated DarkDracul (1 pts) : (176 - 128)
Thereisnotry (3 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (0 pts) : (200 - 49)
Adamb0nd (3 pts) defeated Bye (0 pts) : (200 - 0)

Tourney: snowy regional
Leaderboard after 3 rounds.
1: 7 Points: DarthFrenchy - WWW
2: 7 Points: Thereisnotry - WLW
3: 6 Points: Randy - WWL
4: 5 Points: TimmerB123 - WLW
5: 5 Points: DarkDracul - LWL
6: 4 Points: Adamb0nd - LLW
7: 3 Points: UrbanShmi - LWL
8: 0 Points: Caedus - LL

Trevor vs Etienne in the finals.
Etienne wins it 200+-40ish.
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If going strictly by defeated points... (+200pts for Win; Bye = 200pts)
Tourney: snowy regional: Round 1
TimmerB123 (417 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (87 pts) : (217 - 87)
DarthFrenchy (340 pts) defeated DarkDracul (106 pts) : (140 - 106)
Thereisnotry (416 pts) defeated Adamb0nd (135 pts) : (216 - 135)
Randy (400 pts) defeated Caedus (50 pts) : (200 - 50)

Tourney: snowy regional: Round 2
DarthFrenchy (328 pts) defeated TimmerB123 (43 pts) : (128 - 43)
Randy (400 pts) defeated Thereisnotry (141 pts) : (200 - 141)
DarkDracul (400 pts) defeated Adamb0nd (58 pts) : (200 - 58)
UrbanShmi (400 pts) defeated Caedus (37 pts) : (200 - 37)

Tourney: snowy regional: Round 3
DarthFrenchy (400 pts) defeated Randy (20 pts) : (200 - 20)
TimmerB123 (376 pts) defeated DarkDracul (128 pts) : (176 - 128)
Thereisnotry (400 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (49 pts) : (200 - 49)
Adamb0nd (200 pts) defeated Bye (0 pts) : (200 - 0)

Leaderboard after 3 rounds.
1: 1068 Points: DarthFrenchy - WWW
2: 957 Points: Thereisnotry - WLW
3: 836 Points: TimmerB123 - WLW
4: 820 Points: Randy - WWL
5: 634 Points: DarkDracul - LWL
6: 536 Points: UrbanShmi - LWL
7: 393 Points: Adamb0nd - LLW
8: 87 Points: Caedus - LL-

Note the change in positions 3 & 4...and 6 & 7.
Direct rewards for defeating more characters. (And possibly controlling gambit...)

Trevor vs Etienne in the finals.
Etienne 400 wins it - Trevor 40(200+-40ish)

Final:
1: 1468 Points: DarthFrenchy - WWWW
2: 997 Points: Thereisnotry - WLWL
3: 836 Points: TimmerB123 - WLW
4: 820 Points: Randy - WWL
5: 634 Points: DarkDracul - LWL
6: 536 Points: UrbanShmi - LWL
7: 393 Points: Adamb0nd - LLW
8: 87 Points: Caedus - LL-

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DECEMBER VASSAL REGIONAL
As reported...
Tourney: 2020 December Vassal Regional: Round 1
thereisnotry (3 pts) defeated DarkDracul (0 pts) : (200 - 0)
urbanjedi (2 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (1 pts) : (101 - 100)
TimmerB123 (3 pts) defeated adamb0nd (0 pts) : (221 - 72)
Randy (3 pts) defeated Mando (0 pts) : (200 - 80)

Tourney: 2020 December Vassal Regional: Round 2
thereisnotry (3 pts) defeated Randy (1 pts) : (207 - 159)
urbanjedi (2 pts) defeated TimmerB123 (0 pts) : (133 - 0)
DarkDracul (2 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (1 pt) : (139 - 120)
adamb0nd (3 pts) defeated Mando (0 pts) : (200 - 58)

Tourney: 2020 December Vassal Regional: Round 3
thereisnotry (3 pts) defeated urbanjedi (1 pts) : (219 - 175)
Randy (2 pts) defeated TimmerB123 (1 pts) : (147 - 120)
DarkDracul (3 pts) defeated adamb0nd (0 pts) : (200 - 0)
UrbanShmi (3 pts) defeated Mando (1 pts) : (200 - 109)

Leaderboard after 3 rounds.
1: 9 Points: thereisnotry - WWW
2: 6 Points: Randy - WLW
3: 5 Points: DarkDracul - LWW
4: 5 Points: urbanjedi - WWL
5: 5 Points: UrbanShmi - LLW
6: 4 Points: TimmerB123 - WLL
7: 3 Points: adamb0nd - LWL
8: 1 Points: Mando - LLL

Finals
thereisnotry (3-0, 9pts) vs Randy (3-1, 6pts)
thereisnotry 217 - Randy 195
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If going strictly by defeated points... (+200pts for Win; Bye = 200pts)
Tourney: 2020 December Vassal Regional: Round 1
thereisnotry (400 pts) defeated DarkDracul (0 pts) : (200 - 0)
urbanjedi (301 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (100 pts) : (101 - 100)
TimmerB123 (421 pts) defeated adamb0nd (72 pts) : (221 - 72)
Randy (400 pts) defeated Mando (80 pts) : (200 - 80)

Tourney: 2020 December Vassal Regional: Round 2
thereisnotry (407 pts) defeated Randy (159 pts) : (207 - 159)
urbanjedi (333 pts) defeated TimmerB123 (0 pts) : (133 - 0)
DarkDracul (339 pts) defeated UrbanShmi (120 pt) : (139 - 120)
adamb0nd (400 pts) defeated Mando (58 pts) : (200 - 58)

Tourney: 2020 December Vassal Regional: Round 3
thereisnotry (419 pts) defeated urbanjedi (175 pts) : (219 - 175)
Randy (347 pts) defeated TimmerB123 (120 pts) : (147 - 120)
DarkDracul (400 pts) defeated adamb0nd (0 pts) : (200 - 0)
UrbanShmi (400 pts) defeated Mando (100 pts) : (200 - 109)

Leaderboard after 3 rounds.
1: 1226 Points: thereisnotry - WWW
2: 906 Points: Randy - WLW
3: 809 Points: urbanjedi - WWL
4: 739 Points: DarkDracul - LWW
5: 620 Points: UrbanShmi - LLW
6: 541 Points: TimmerB123 - WLL
7: 472 Points: adamb0nd - LWL
8: 238 Points: Mando - LLL

Note the change in positions 3 & 4.

Finals
thereisnotry (427 pts) defeats Randy (195 pts) : (217 - 195)

Final:
1: 1653 Points: thereisnotry - WWWW
2: 1101 Points: Randy - WLWL
3: 809 Points: urbanjedi - WWL
4: 739 Points: DarkDracul - LWW
5: 620 Points: UrbanShmi - LLW
6: 541 Points: TimmerB123 - WLL
7: 472 Points: adamb0nd - LWL
8: 238 Points: Mando - LLL

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NOVEMBER LS/DS TOURNAMENT
As reported...
Round 1
thereisnotry (DS) vs DarthBainCapital (LS) - thereisnotry wins 3-0 (213-65)
adamb0nd (LS) vs TimmerB123 (DS) - TimmerB123 wins 2-0 (139-89)
UrbanShmi vs Bye - Laura wins 3-0 (200-0)

...After Round 1:
thereisnotry 3 (1-0)
UrbanShmi 3 (1-0)
TimmerB123 2 (1-0)
DarthBainCapital 0 (0-1)
adamb0nd 0 (0-1)

Round 2
thereisnotry vs UrbanShmi - thereisnotry wins 3-1 (203-118)
TimmerB123 vs DarthBainCapital - TimmerB123 wins 3-0 (200-36)
adamb0nd vs Bye - adamb0nd wins 3-0 (200-0)

...After Round 2:
thereisnotry 6 (2-0)
TimmerB123 5 (2-0)
UrbanShmi 4 (1-1)
adamb0nd 3 (1-1)
DarthBainCapital 0 (0-2)

Round 3
thereisnotry vs TimmerB123 - thereisnotry wins 3-1 (200-141)
UrbanShmi vs adamb0nd - adamb0nd wins 3-0 (200-59)
DarthBainCapital vs Bye - DarthBainCapital wins 3-0 (200-0)

...After Round 3:
thereisnotry 9 (3-0)
TimmerB123 6 (2-1)
adamb0nd 6 (2-1)
UrbanShmi 4 (1-2)
DarthBainCapital 3 (1-2)

Finals
thereisnotry (DS) vs TimmerB123 (LS) - TimmerB123 wins 3-0 (227-81)
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If going strictly by defeated points... (+200pts for Win; Bye = 200pts)
Round 1
thereisnotry (DS) vs DarthBainCapital (LS) - thereisnotry wins 413-65 (213-65)
adamb0nd (LS) vs TimmerB123 (DS) - TimmerB123 wins 339-89 (139-89)
UrbanShmi vs Bye - Laura wins 200-0 (200-0)

...After Round 1:
thereisnotry 413 (1-0)
TimmerB123 339 (1-0)
UrbanShmi 200 (1-0)
adamb0nd 89 (0-1)
DarthBainCapital 65 (0-1)

Round 2
thereisnotry vs UrbanShmi - thereisnotry wins 403-118 (203-118)
TimmerB123 vs DarthBainCapital - TimmerB123 wins 400-36 (200-36)
adamb0nd vs Bye - adamb0nd wins 200-0 (200-0)

...After Round 2:
thereisnotry 816 (2-0)
TimmerB123 739 (2-0)
UrbanShmi 318 (1-1)
adamb0nd 289 (1-1)
DarthBainCapital 101 (0-2)

Round 3
thereisnotry vs TimmerB123 - thereisnotry wins 400-141 (200-141)
UrbanShmi vs adamb0nd - adamb0nd wins 400-59 (200-59)
DarthBainCapital vs Bye - DarthBainCapital wins 200-0 (200-0)

...After Round 3:
thereisnotry 1216 (3-0)
TimmerB123 880 (2-1)
adamb0nd 689 (2-1)
UrbanShmi 377 (1-2)
DarthBainCapital 301 (1-2)

Finals
thereisnotry (DS) vs TimmerB123 (LS) - TimmerB123 wins 427-81 (227-81)

Final rankings...
TimmerB123 1307 (3-1)
thereisnotry 1297 (3-1)
adamb0nd 689 (2-1)
UrbanShmi 377 (1-2)
DarthBainCapital 301 (1-2)
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SQUAD SWAP TOURNAMENT Nov 13
AS REPORTED
Round 1:
1. thereisnotry (Fringe is the Way) vs TimmerB123 (Maul's Malevolent Machinations) (3-0 213-42)
2. FlyingArrow (Por que no los dos?) vs DarthBainCapital (Momentous) (3-0 230-93)
3. UrbanShmi (Sister Swap) vs Mando (Cloaked Blades) (1-2 114-125)

Round 2:
4. FlyingArrow (Fringe is the Way) vs thereisnotry (Por que no los dos?) (1-3 173-229)
5. Mando (Maul's Malevolent Machinations) vs TimmerB123 (Cloaked Blades) (3-0 205-38)
6. DarthBainCapital (Sister Swap) vs UrbanShmi (Momentous) (2-0 99-28)

Round 3:
7. thereisnotry (Maul's Malevolent Machinations) vs Mando (Por que no los dos?) (3-1 224-107)
8. UrbanShmi (Fringe is the Way) vs FlyingArrow (Momentous) (1-3 165-202)
9. TimmerB123 (Sister Swap) vs DarthBainCapital (Cloaked Blades) (2-0 155-33)

Player standings:
thereisnotry 9 WWW
FlyingArrow 7 WLW
Mando 6 WWL
TimmerB123 2 LLW
DarthBainCapital 2 LWL
UrbanShmi 2 LLL
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POINTS ONLY
Round 1:
1. thereisnotry (Fringe is the Way) vs TimmerB123 (Maul's Malevolent Machinations) 413-42 (213-42)
2. FlyingArrow (Por que no los dos?) vs DarthBainCapital (Momentous) 430-93 (230-93)
3. UrbanShmi (Sister Swap) vs Mando (Cloaked Blades) 114-325 (114-125)

Round 2:
4. FlyingArrow (Fringe is the Way) vs thereisnotry (Por que no los dos?) 173-429 (173-229)
5. Mando (Maul's Malevolent Machinations) vs TimmerB123 (Cloaked Blades) 405-38 (205-38)
6. DarthBainCapital (Sister Swap) vs UrbanShmi (Momentous) 299-28 (99-28)

Round 3:
7. thereisnotry (Maul's Malevolent Machinations) vs Mando (Por que no los dos?) 424-107 (224-107)
8. UrbanShmi (Fringe is the Way) vs FlyingArrow (Momentous) 165-402 (165-202)
9. TimmerB123 (Sister Swap) vs DarthBainCapital (Cloaked Blades) 355-33 (155-33)

Player standings:
thereisnotry 1266 WWW
FlyingArrow 1005 WLW
Mando 837 WWL
TimmerB123 435 LLW
DarthBainCapital 425 LWL
UrbanShmi 307 LLL

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THIS IS AN INTERESTING ONE...

TIM'S BIRTHDAY "REGIONAL"
As reported...
Round 1
TimmerB123 (3) over thereisnotry (1) 200-105
UrbanShmi (3) over Randy (1) 202-103
Spryguy1981 (3) over Pntkd2 (1) 203-133
DarkDracul (2) over Darth_Jim (1) 178-138

Round 2
TimmerB123 (3) over UrbanShmi (0) 230-99
Spryguy1981 (3) vs DarkDracul (0) 235-65
thereisnotry (3) over Randy (0) 200-5
Pntkd2 (3) over Darth_Jim (0) 220-62

Round 3
Spryguy1981 (3) over TimmerB123 (1)
thereisnotry (3) over Pntkd2 (0) 200-63
UrbanShmi (2) vs DarkDracul (1) 174-130
Darth_Jim (3) over Randy (1) 219-184

Semi Finals
UrbanShmi (2) over Spryguy1981 (0) 75-35
TimmerB123 (3) over thereisnotry (1) 230-131

Finals
TIMMERB123 (3) over UrbanShmi (0) 200-42

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Points only...
Round 1
TimmerB123 (400) over thereisnotry (105) 200-105
UrbanShmi (402) over Randy (103) 202-103
Spryguy1981 (403) over Pntkd2 (133) 203-133
DarkDracul (378) over Darth_Jim (138) 178-138

Round 2
TimmerB123 (430) over UrbanShmi (99) 230-99
Spryguy1981 (435) vs DarkDracul (65) 235-65
thereisnotry (400) over Randy (5) 200-5
Pntkd2 (420) over Darth_Jim (62) 220-62

Round 3
Spryguy1981 (400) over TimmerB123 (101) ?-? guessing 200-101
thereisnotry (400) over Pntkd2 (63) 200-63
UrbanShmi (374) vs DarkDracul (130) 174-130
Darth_Jim (419) over Randy (184) 219-184

Standings after Round 3
1. Spryguy1981 1238 WWW
2. TimmerB123 931 WWL
3. thereisnotry 905 LWW
4. UrbanShmi 875 WLW
5. Darth_Jim 619 LLW
6. Pntkd2 616 LWL
7. DarkDracul 573 WLL
8. Randy 292 LLL

Semi Finals (Round 4)
UrbanShmi (275) over Spryguy1981 (35) 75-35
TimmerB123 (430) over thereisnotry (131) 230-131

Standings after Round 4
1. TimmerB123 1361 WWLW
2. Spryguy1981 1273 WWWL
3. UrbanShmi 1150 WLWW
4. thereisnotry 1036 LWWL
5. Darth_Jim 619 LLW
6. Pntkd2 616 LWL
7. DarkDracul 573 WLL
8. Randy 292 LLL

Finals (Round 5)
TIMMERB123 (400) over UrbanShmi (42) 200-42

Player standings: *
1. TimmerB123 1761 WWLWW
2. Spryguy1981 1273 WWWL
3. UrbanShmi 1192 WLWWL
4. thereisnotry 1036 LWWL
5. Darth_Jim 619 LLW
6. Pntkd2 616 LWL
7. DarkDracul 573 WLL
8. Randy 292 LLL

So...UrbanShmi moves to 3rd place even though she was in the finals. Hmm...
This brings up the fact that being in the final round should give a bonus even though they lost. I believe 100 pts per tier played should be enough to eliminate any weird standings issues...and not be too much to allow the final’s “loser” to overtake the winner in overall standings. (review to see if it's enough). Therefore US above would get 500 pts for being in the finals...so her total would be 1692 pts.

Note for the above, Tim would get 1000 pts for winning (instead of the 200 as above) with the adjusted rule of final's winners receive 200 pts per tier played. (5 tiers x 200 pts = 1000 pts added to total defeated & gambit points)
Tim’s total would be 2361 pts.

*Above numbers show only the winners only getting 200 pts per game.

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IN PROGRESS... (looking at next tournament)

I'd love to have those stats...and I could adjust accordingly...

Are you thinking gambit may not be necessary if players are pushed by ONLY scoring points by defeating characters?
(sounds oddly familiar...)

If you are playing for the most defeated points, and everyone knows that, and you score points only by defeating enemy characters, and win by scoring the most points of everyone playing, I’m not sure why you would NOT try to defeat the most points EVERY game.

I disagree with making it simpler makes it easier to abuse. I believe it’s the opposite. Matter of fact, make it as simple as possible and take gambit away. Now the ONLY way to score points is by defeating characters. I believe those that truly understand the numbers above will figure out they had better get the most points they can...even when losing. Lock outs are plain dumb. Hit and hide is dumb. You are no longer playing just to get the win. You have to score the most points.

The one thing I see might be a problem is shooter squads against melee. However, from what I’ve seen lately, some of these melee guys are very tough. I think the character pool is very well diversified and a lot of squad types can be fielded still.

Winning is a good thing. Let’s reward the ones that engage the most...those that defeat the most. The biggest change is just going by points and not by a W/L system. However, a win must be awarded 200 pts for the system to work right. (As seen above)

So you would rank people not by a win/loss record, but by defeated points total? Or would the defeated points total be used as a tie breaker?

200 points just for winning? The problem I see with that is if you are in a bad matchup you can snipe a couple unit and try to hide. You make sure your opponent doesn't recieve 200 points and you possibly recieve 200 yourself. Worth the gamble in most cases.

Our tournaments typically go to a top 4. I don't have to be #1 seed, I just have to make the final 4.

I am looking at the entire tournament. If I'm playing a good opponent and can prevent him from recieving 200 points and I myself can recieve 200 then I'm going for that option.

You are exactly right though, without Gambit the finals games of the tourney would be mostly sniping and hiding. There would be little to no incentive to engage. When winning by 1 point and winning by 200 gives me the same result I am going to take the path of least resistance. This is exactly what we saw when Gambit was only worth 5 points. Gambit was not worth the opportunity cost.

I’m going to comb thru the tourney results more tomorrow, but I noticed something tonight.
In two cases above, if the 2nd ranked player going into the finals wins but doesn’t score enough points, then they will not win overall by sheer points alone.
That’s a problem...as the final’s winner should win the tournament by points too.
Given that info, and the fact they won the finals, I would award them 200 pts per tier played for the final match (if the finals are the 4th tier, then 800 pts; if it goes to 5th tier, then 1000 pts; etc)...instead of the standard 200 per game. That should overcome any possible deficit...and is a well earned boost in the player rankings.

So the finals in the 3rd tourney listed in the first post would be:

thereisnotry (DS) vs TimmerB123 (LS) - TimmerB123 wins 1027-81 (227-81)

Final rankings...
TimmerB123 1907 (3-1)
thereisnotry 1297 (3-1)
adamb0nd 689 (2-1)
UrbanShmi 377 (1-2)
DarthBainCapital 301 (1-2)

In the original scores, had TINT scored say 131 pts (instead of just 81), then by points only he would have won the tourney because he had a huge lead over Tim going into the final (TINT 1216 to TIM 880)...the final results by points would have been TIM 1307 & TINT 1347. But with the extra final's boost, there would never be a way for the "loser" of the finals to win the overall tournament.

KEEP IN MIND THIS IS JUST A SOUNDING BOARD TO REVIEW AN IDEA...
(feel free to add comments, but I'm just looking at an alternative way to scoring)

Big question...
Are we trying to keep the standard player bracket system first and foremost?
(winners play winners thru the tournament until the finals; finals winner is tournament winner)
If so, then points (of any kind) have no real meaning for standings...just for deciding ties.

Next question...
If no to above, what would the alternate look like?
Points only system might have rematches along the way. (highest point players play next highest point player)

Next question...
What is the purpose of the victory point conversion system? (100pts = 1pt; 200pts = 2pts; win = 1pt; etc)
Is it just to avoid using a calculator?
Was it developed to award engagement?

Last question...
Why don't we solely use defeated character points?
It's the most logical way to keep track of everything (engagement; winning; ties; etc)