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Dark Nexus, Eternal Sith Spirit, Master of the Force 2 Options
Udorian84
Posted: Saturday, August 28, 2021 11:09:25 AM
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Dark Nexus states:
Unique Sith allies within 6 squares can spend their own Force points once per turn and spend Force points from this character once per turn.

Eternal Sith Spirit states:
The chosen character can spend its own Force points once per turn and spend Force points from this character once per turn

Master of the Force 2 states: May spend Force points up to 2 times in a single turn

Sith Lore: The ally chosen by Holocron may spend this character's Force points if it does not spend its own that turn.


If a character with MoF2 is under the influence of Dark Nexus (or Eternal Sith Spirit by themselves), can it spend force points 3 times? twice by itself and once from Nexus (or Eternal Sith Spirit)?

If a character in the Nexus is haunted by Eternal Sith Spirit can it spend force points 4 times? twice by itself, once from Nexus, and once from Eternal Sith Spirit?

ADDITION:

if you use the Holocron's FP to cast a force power, can you still use force points from Eternal Sith Spirit? or Dark Nexus? or both?
FlyingArrow
Posted: Saturday, August 28, 2021 11:43:59 AM
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No, MotF2 doens't stack with Dark Nexus or Eternal Sith Spirit. All 3 of those abilities specify that you can spend Force points twice (with 2 of them further specifying where those Force points have to come from). None of them say "one additional time" so none of them let you get up to 3 uses.

Force Spirit and Vision in the Cave of Evil are two abilities that would let you get to spend Force 3 times in one turn (if stacked with MotF2).
FlyingArrow
Posted: Saturday, August 28, 2021 12:23:21 PM
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Quote:
ADDITION:

if you use the Holocron's FP to cast a force power, can you still use force points from Eternal Sith Spirit? or Dark Nexus? or both?


This gets tricky... have to keep track of how many times you spend Force, which Force pools you spend from, how many times you spend from each one, and in what combination.

Default, of course, is: Spend 1 time from only 1 pool: your own.

Holocron lets you spend the Holocron's Force points on Holocron Force powers (but cannot spend their own Force points in the same turn). It doesn't affect how many times you can spend Force points.

Dark Nexus and Eternal Sith Spirit each let you spend its Force points once and your own Force points once per turn.

Master of the Force allows you to spend Force points multiple times without specifying the Force pool.

So suppose you spend Dark Nexus Force points. Dark Nexus itself only lets you spend Dark Nexus + your own Force points. So Dark Nexus isn't going to let you spend Force points again from the Holocron. But it also doesn't prohibit it. Holocron only says you can't spend your own Force points that turn - it doesn't say you can't spend Dark Nexus' Force points. You can't normally spend Force points more than once and Dark Nexus doesn't help here, so you would have to have Master of the Force 2 naturally in order to spend Force points from both the Dark Nexus and the Holocron.

The same logic applies to Eternal Sith Spirit.

Spending from all 3 - that would require Master of the Force 3 to be able to spend 3 times. You can't spend from Nexus or Eternal Sith Spirit more than once in the same turn in any case.


That's the way I read it, but I may have made a mistake somewhere up there.
Udorian84
Posted: Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:12:22 PM
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Thanks for clearing it up for me
DarkDracul
Posted: Saturday, August 28, 2021 1:32:41 PM
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MotF limits how many times you can spend.
Master of the Force 2 - May spend Force points up to 2 times in a single turn.

Some abilities allow you to spend an extra time.
Vision in the Cave of Evil - may spend Force points one additional time this turn
Force Spirit - that ally can spend Force points 1 extra time per turn

Some abilities let you spend from other characters like it's from your own pool.
Dark Master - The character may spend this character's Force points as if they were its own.


Some Special Abilities specify how you spend the points.
Eternal Sith Spirit - The character can spend once from itself and once from Marka Ragnos, DFS.

Dark Force Nexus - The character can spend once from itself and once from the DFN.

Sith Holocron - The character can only spend Force points from the Holocron. However, it may spend twice and use its own force powers while spending the Sith Holocron's force points.


But can you spend twice from yourself and once from the Dark Force Nexus if you have MotF3??
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