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My proposal ( discussion purposes, of course ) would be to remove "Independent Outfit" on both "The Mandolorian" and "Montross". These 2 Mandolorian powerhouses become super bad ass being able to be commanded by the main man himself, "Talon Karrde:Information Broker". Removing "Independent Outfit", I feel moves the focus of "Talon squads", back to the original designer intent of, "Fringe characters only", to get his bonuses, not a "loop hole", to allow these "crazy good already " Mandos, access to them.

San Hill isn't meant to be tossing little support pieces around. The whole point of him was to help the Separatists catch up because they sucked after the activation limit, act control nerf and other changes were introduced. They never got a Nexus to start in the middle or Battle Ready or anything like that. Cad Bane BH helps make a strong shooter squad with Charging Fire, but their melee guys really needed something. Even Durge wasn't really being played for a while before San Hill.

The design intent included being able to move Durge on Speeder. I think it should still apply to him and Maul on Swoop Bike- the Separatists should not get smacked down again the instant they have a competitive chance. The "ignoring attacks of opportunity" part doesn't matter as much, but removing that mainly hurts some of the weaker options anyway (e.g. Dooku, other versions of Grievous, Quinlan Vos etc).

I think give it another season as is and then you'll be able to see if it's warping the meta. San didn't win GenCon and then didn't show up at all for VassalCon. (The fact that Distraction turns off Presumed Dead for Grievous is a fairly glaring weakness.)

Options that I've pondered, for balancing Tulak:


--Remove Darth. This is probably the easiest fix and should probably be included in most situations.

--Change his SSM (basically create a new ability) so that it only works on the first time each turn that he's hit by an attack. So it's essentially a free LS Defense, and after that he'll take damage normally, so he'll need to teleport away if he wants to prevent big pain.

--Only allow him to give Distraction to a lower-Costed ally, rather than any ally. He's the master, and the other guy is the apprentice.

--I really like Randy's suggestion for a change to Identical Forces, that you can only benefit from the switch-positions part of the ability once per round. This will go a long way toward keeping the movement shenanigans in check. As someone who's played the Tulak-Agent combo at least as much as anyone else, I can affirm that being able to hide the Agent after hitting for 100dmg, which was after being moved into position for the shot in the first place...that's nasty. I think this is probably a good change to make anyway, regardless of whether or not Tulak is involved.

--We COULD increase his Cost, but I think there are other alternatives (perhaps some I've listed here) that might be better.


I'm curious what others think.

100% agree, Jason.