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I could care less if it is anything big or nothing at all. Just be upfront about who you are, don't misrepresent yourself.
Well spoken Echo. The only person(s) I see having an issue with this is BS1/MtB. Go figure.
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Echo24 wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:
i know I know, What I just said was sacrilege. But, its the truth. Look at our Community. We cannot seem to get along. This is the Death of our game. Us.
But we can easily change that if we can all agree that we can learn from previous mistakes by other companies.
All we have to do is agree to do it.
...what? EVERY response I saw concerning the progress being made by Dean et al. was overwhelmingly positive until you and dahatchet got involved. As for v-sets ruining games, you're talking about games that already got canceled. The SWCCG COULD NOT continue, with or without v-sets. Wizards had the opportunity to buy the mechanics, and they didn't. Then v-sets came out. It was either v-sets or nothing. You can't say that v-sets killed the game; the game was already dead in the sense that no company was making it and no one was going to continue making it. There is no evidence that v-sets hurt any game (you personally not liking the direction of a game is not evidence). If dahatchetjeedi has real proof that v-sets prevented any game from being picked up, I would be very interested. As in, I'd like to see documents or communication of some kind from any company saying "We would be interested in picking up the SWCCG, but since the players are making v-sets, we aren't going to do it". Until hard evidence in that vein is presented, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever why these claims should be taken as anything more than a single individual's opinion. On the other hand, there is concrete evidence that the SWCCG is very much alive and kicking. A number of people still play it, and in fact they had a tournament last year which had to be cut off at 64 people. There were literally more people wanting and ready to play the game than they could accept. That's very strong, hard evidence that people still play the game and that it's going strong. I'm not saying that V sets will ruin the game. i'm all for them. if I were you, i would read all of the other threads concerning this topic before chiming in. Minis arent just cards, they are plastic, hence Table top game. you cannot say that CCG is well off compared to where SW minis would be with no new pieces. With no new pieces, I guarantee we lose even more members if you think that V sets will bring this game back. The cards in CCG can't even make itself a formidable card game today. I want New Minis! Not your customs!
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celticindian wrote:I could care less if it is anything big or nothing at all. Just be upfront about who you are, don't misrepresent yourself.
Well spoken Echo. The only person(s) I see having an issue with this is BS1/MtB. Go figure. You just keep showing how ignorant you are. I put my vote in for Dean to be the Head of this, and you guys still went and did what you guys wanted to do. Thats fine, I'm now eating my hat for asying something nice. I am all for V Sets, read before you show your contempt. But I would like to play with cards that aren't cards that you guys made. i mean, lets be honest. Its been rough as it is in the last year and a half. Keep doing what has been done, and you will keep getting what you have always gotten. And now, we have your customs to keep us interested. No Thanks.
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LMAO!
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So, BS, can you offer anything better than the best players in the game heading up a new direction?
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My main problem is that "the best players in the game" got there because of the connections that they have...
I see a lot of ignorance here...
And before you edit me for "baiting" go look up the definition of ignorant...
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Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:Echo24 wrote:Blizzard Scout 1 wrote:
i know I know, What I just said was sacrilege. But, its the truth. Look at our Community. We cannot seem to get along. This is the Death of our game. Us.
But we can easily change that if we can all agree that we can learn from previous mistakes by other companies.
All we have to do is agree to do it.
...what? EVERY response I saw concerning the progress being made by Dean et al. was overwhelmingly positive until you and dahatchet got involved. As for v-sets ruining games, you're talking about games that already got canceled. The SWCCG COULD NOT continue, with or without v-sets. Wizards had the opportunity to buy the mechanics, and they didn't. Then v-sets came out. It was either v-sets or nothing. You can't say that v-sets killed the game; the game was already dead in the sense that no company was making it and no one was going to continue making it. There is no evidence that v-sets hurt any game (you personally not liking the direction of a game is not evidence). If dahatchetjeedi has real proof that v-sets prevented any game from being picked up, I would be very interested. As in, I'd like to see documents or communication of some kind from any company saying "We would be interested in picking up the SWCCG, but since the players are making v-sets, we aren't going to do it". Until hard evidence in that vein is presented, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever why these claims should be taken as anything more than a single individual's opinion. On the other hand, there is concrete evidence that the SWCCG is very much alive and kicking. A number of people still play it, and in fact they had a tournament last year which had to be cut off at 64 people. There were literally more people wanting and ready to play the game than they could accept. That's very strong, hard evidence that people still play the game and that it's going strong. I'm not saying that V sets will ruin the game. i'm all for them. if I were you, i would read all of the other threads concerning this topic before chiming in. Minis arent just cards, they are plastic, hence Table top game. you cannot say that CCG is well off compared to where SW minis would be with no new pieces. With no new pieces, I guarantee we lose even more members if you think that V sets will bring this game back. The cards in CCG can't even make itself a formidable card game today. I want New Minis! Not your customs! I was responding more to dahatchet about all the v-set stuff, actually. Trust me, I've read the other threads. I'm on the design team for reporting software for when SWM DCI support is pulled. Considering you are opposed to getting on Gamers, I've seen more threads concerning this topic than you, I guarantee it. You're right, there is a difference between minis and cards. But the card is what makes the game. Did you ever play D&D before DDM came out? I did. You know what we used to represent our characters on some basic, hand-drawn maps on graph paper? Whatever we could find. Dice, coins, whatever. What made the game was the people and the books. I could play a game of SWM with just a bunch of dice and coins and still have fun. It also seems like you don't understand what is being proposed completely. We cannot make new minis. That is impossible. No one else will make new minis. So we have 900 or so minis to play with. If we don't change anything at all and just keep playing, the game will get very boring. So we have to change something. Re-stats, re-costs, and v-sets are the easiest, most obvious thing to change. I don't really understand what you're complaining about to be honest. Are you just upset that no more plastic miniatures will be made? Everyone is, but we do what we can with what we've got. I'm not trying to be condescending or anything here, I honestly don't understand. Could you please explain your complaints a little better?
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Well put.
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:My main problem is that "the best players in the game" got there because of the connections that they have...
I see a lot of ignorance here...
And before you edit me for "baiting" go look up the definition of ignorant... Actually they got there because they are, well, the best. They're really good. Have you ever played any of them? Have you ever sat down and discussed the meta with them, or squad ideas? They're really really good. The best. It doesn't matter what "connections" you have, they have honest to God skill. Connections don't get you that. I really don't see how that would even work. How exactly do "connections" make someone a better player? Oh, and good call on deleting your other post (I'll assume you deleted it yourself, since I don't see any mods on this thread and none of them said anything about it).
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Hatchet, I think you should be looking up words before you use them. The best players in the game got there by being the best players in the game. You don't develop connections being a loser. These people care about the game, it's future. They know the game inside and out. I couldn't figure a better group to start the push to keep it alive.
Do you have a better suggestion?
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dahatchetjeedi wrote:My main problem is that "the best players in the game" got there because of the connections that they have...
I see a lot of ignorance here...
And before you edit me for "baiting" go look up the definition of ignorant... connections!?! LMAO he was best before he got "connections" and to be honest he doesn't really have connections he just does what he can to help the game grow *part of this was baiting, careful please ~ Eros*
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Yes I played DnD before WoTC butchered it...
I also remember TSR putting out its own line of minis...
As far as your saying that making more plastic minis is impossible...
Ye of little faith...
This CAN happen if people stop trying to make their own separate committees over what THEY want.
Instead of arguing over who is in charge [I don't think anyone on this site or swmgamers should be in charge of such a thing] why dont we work as a community to try and get another company to pick it up.
As far as Vsets go, that is counter productive to getting another company to pick up the game.
No company wants that kind of work load on their plate as soon as they pick a game up.
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And I should clarify: you don't develop VALID connections by being a loser. You should talk to BS1/MtB about that.
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celticindian wrote:And I should clarify: you don't develop VALID connections by being a loser. You should talk to BS1/MtB about that. well said
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I want stats.
Otherwise, call this game dead.
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celticindian wrote:And I should clarify: you don't develop VALID connections by being a loser. You should talk to BS1/MtB about that. you keep going on about Me/MtB. Whats up with that? do I know you or something?
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Guys, lets make sure we stay on the topic and not discussing individuals and if they are the best for whatever reasons.
Vsets are a fall issue. I think we should focus more on upcoming Regionals and GenCon.
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Give it time, this announcement is only a few days old. The people working on this DO care. They are putting together regionals and Gen Con right now. New stats will have to wait until after MotF and the major cons. Stats will come. We have 900+ minis, things will work.
And I even understand your gripe about where leadership is and seems to be. Have faith, these people CARE. You won't be excluded or let down.
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Sorry Ero, will do. :) to Mtb/BS.
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celticindian wrote:Sorry Ero, will do. :) to Mtb/BS. Let's just go for BS1 without the /. Unsubstantiated claims aren't needed at the moment.
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