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Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:24:46 AM
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Just how do you kill Diplomat?
if they are the only legal target, are they killable. can they be killed by mass damage, I.E force lightning, grenades, flamethrower, repulse?
i really need to know how to run my Imp Dignitary in Gambit. i dont want to throw him in there if hes gonna get iced.
if someone could give a descriptive setting, that would be greatly appreciated.
Durge Dude
Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:31:53 AM
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Yes mass damage can kill Diplomats, you just cant specifacally target them unles they are the only enemy a character can see or if your opponent has a diplomat that can see your diplomat. Is that any better, that SA is confusing
Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:36:26 AM
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ok. so if my imp Diggy is the only legal, he is a target.
if an enemy character with Dippy has LoS to my Diggy, my shooter, who also needs LOS can shoot my Diggy.
Got it.......I hope.
Jester007
Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:44:15 AM
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:
Just how do you kill Diplomat?
if they are the only legal target, are they killable. can they be killed by mass damage, I.E force lightning, grenades, flamethrower, repulse?
i really need to know how to run my Imp Dignitary in Gambit. i dont want to throw him in there if hes gonna get iced.
if someone could give a descriptive setting, that would be greatly appreciated.


Ok, here's how it goes.....

A character with the SA Diplomat cannot be Targetted OR Attacked if there is another character that is considered to be friendly towards the Diplomat (that is not a Diplomat themselves) within LOS of a character that is trying to attack them or target them with abilities (such as missiles, grenades, lightning, push, etc). That does not mean they cannot be affected by such abilites.

Example:

A= Diplomat
B = Wookie
C = Cade Skywalker

XXXCXXX Here, Cade cannot attack the Diplomat because he can draw LOS to the
XXXXXXX Wookie. This means the Diplomat is not a legal target, so Cade can then
XXXXXXX attack the Wookie in the back. For every hit or miss that Cade rolls, the
XXXAXXX Diplomat must make Splash saves. This is due to the nature of Splash
XXXBXXX damage. It is niether an attack nor a targetting ability to adjacent minis.


Now, let's say the Wookie was a Genoharderran Assasin. Cade would not be able to attack anyone because the Assasin is using the Diplomat as Cover to gain Cloaked. Just because the Genoharderran Assasin cannot be targetted doesn't me you ignore it for LOS. Cade can still see the Assasin, but he just cannot target him.

There are certain abilities that can kill a Diplomat regardless if you can see someone else or not. Force Repulse, Unleash the Force, Self-destruct, etc. are all non-targetting abilites that are not attacks.

There are some interactions out there that generate non-targetting attacks (like Lightsaber Sweep and attacks of opprotunity). Even though the mentioned situations do not target anyone, they are still attacks. So you got through half of the Diplomat SA (the targetting part), but you still need to get through the attacking part. The only character that can walk up to a Diplomat and beat their head in with witnesses is Lord Vader. He can spend a FP to use Overwhelming Force to prevent any ability stopping from him attacking; and then use Lightsaber Sweep to make a non-targetting attack.

The best way to have a Diplomat run up onto Gambit is to have a Cloaked/Super Stealthed character hanging around them so that you won't have to worry as much about the Diplomat getting shot at.

Sincerely,
Jester007
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:24:56 AM
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Great synopsis Jester.
Also remember that if you can't draw LOS to any other character but the Diplomat, you can target the Diplomat. It's easier than you think with a map that has a lot of walls. Just move your character so that you can only "see" the Diplomat...
Mitth'raw'nuruodo
Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 7:20:59 AM
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I hate Diplomats.
Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:26:12 AM
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you guys made that make perfect sense.
thank you very much fellas.ThumpUp
Quarlitox
Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 9:58:56 AM
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Just one more question

Can I make an AoO against a diplomat?
Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 10:47:23 AM
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Quarlitox wrote:
Just one more question

Can I make an AoO against a diplomat?


NopeCrying
Warlord_Hett
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:
Quarlitox wrote:
Just one more question

Can I make an AoO against a diplomat?


NopeCrying


with lord vader you can using overwhelming force, but that is the only exception currently.
joelker41
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And Bombad Gungan neither targets or attacks so if you Bombad Gungan to a Diplomat it overrides Diplomat I believe.
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2009 12:18:59 PM
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joelker41 wrote:
And Bombad Gungan neither targets or attacks so if you Bombad Gungan to a Diplomat it overrides Diplomat I believe.


You can redirect it to a Diplomat, however, Bombad Gungan does not override the Diplomat the "cannot be attacked" portion of Diplomat, so the Attack would be lost. Direct Damage would take effect, however.
Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2009 4:02:19 PM
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Warlord_Hett wrote:
Mandalore Da Beast wrote:
Quarlitox wrote:
Just one more question

Can I make an AoO against a diplomat?


NopeCrying


with lord vader you can using overwhelming force, but that is the only exception currently.


im not too worried about facing a lord Vader squad.
Not 'round these parts anyway.
swmimperial130
Posted: Monday, September 21, 2009 2:06:15 PM
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Have an army of diplomats in front of a bunch of super stealthers (Imperial, so you can have 10 damage for the diplomats)
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the way i always remember it is if your going to shoot a politician you have to do it where no one else can see you do it. meaning you cant see anyone else if you want to shoot him.

Diplomats rule!!!
Mitth'raw'nuruodo
Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:21:12 AM
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x-( Grenades!!! Pray that your opponent put his SS'd character next to the diplomat, run up someone with grenades! FIRE IN THE HOLE!
kenred2
Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:28:01 AM
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Mitth'raw'nuruodo wrote:
x-( Grenades!!! Pray that your opponent put his SS'd character next to the diplomat, run up someone with grenades! FIRE IN THE HOLE!


Well, hope that this character with Grenades have Mobile attack and an exception of flight, otherwise it'll be one suicidal grenadier for 1 potentially dead diplomat... you really think that's worth it?

Just swap/Force Repulse would do just fine against Diplomats and other things around within it's radius....
Jester007
Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:05:36 AM
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swmimperial130 wrote:
Have an army of diplomats in front of a bunch of super stealthers (Imperial, so you can have 10 damage for the diplomats)


If you're running Thrawn with the super stealthers, just use Caamasi Nobles instead of the Imperial Dignitaries. For the same point cost, you'll get Opprotunist from Thrawn AND be able to make ranged attacks with the Caamasi opposed to the Dignitary's melee.

Sincerely,
Jester007
Mandalore Da Beast
Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:08:01 AM
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done.
thanx for the suggestions guys.
i kept thinking Camaasi nobles were rebels cuz of the misprint on the card.
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