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When does Rival take affect? Options
N3rdSl4y3r
Posted: Monday, April 18, 2022 11:40:43 AM
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If a character is gaining an ability through a CE that gets around rival, would that be a legal build?

Or would rival happen during squad building and prevent this altogether?
FlyingArrow
Posted: Monday, April 18, 2022 1:51:36 PM
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When you reveal the squad, it has to be legal. I don't want to give a blanket answer here, because CEs can have different timing and triggers.

https://swmgamers.com/SWM/Rules/StartProcedures.pdf
Cassus fett
Posted: Monday, April 18, 2022 2:40:16 PM
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Could we get the specific scenario that brought on this question?
N3rdSl4y3r
Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 5:17:05 AM
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This specific case General Pryde has Rival:

Rival (Cannot be in a squad with any character with Blaster Upgrade or any non-Sith commander unless it counts as First Order or Palpatine)

Then there is Commander Pyre's CE:

Pirate allies gain First Order.
Cassus fett
Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 11:46:21 AM
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So, in this case, I’m thinking the pirates gain First Order well after squad building occurs which would mean Pryde cannot be added to the squad. If I’m wrong someone correct me.
FlyingArrow
Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 2:08:33 PM
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That's a blanket CE - they would get the ability immediately. Any CE that has you select someone to gain an ability to get around Rival... that would occur (most likely) during setup, so it wouldn't be legal at squad reveal. Similarly, Camaraderie can't get around Rival since Camaraderie doesn't grant its abilities until I think step 9.
Cassus fett
Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 3:06:53 PM
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FlyingArrow wrote:
That's a blanket CE - they would get the ability immediately. Any CE that has you select someone to gain an ability to get around Rival... that would occur (most likely) during setup, so it wouldn't be legal at squad reveal. Similarly, Camaraderie can't get around Rival since Camaraderie doesn't grant its abilities until I think step 9.


So then yes, Pryde+Pyre+Pirates is legal?
N3rdSl4y3r
Posted: Monday, April 25, 2022 8:37:09 AM
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I think so. I am not knowledgeable enough to confirm.
Cassus fett
Posted: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:30:17 PM
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N3rdSl4y3r wrote:
I think so. I am not knowledgeable enough to confirm.


Sure hope so because I just made this squad! BigGrin
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