I hope you can understand why I am extremely skeptical of statements like this.

It would be something along these lines.

--Opp Cad 150--
54 Cad Bane
32 Thrawn (Mitth'raw'nuruodo)
27 Lobot
11 Admiral Ozzel
8 Mas Amedda
5 Raxus Prime Trooper
4 Gran Raider
3 Mouse Droid
6 Ugnaught Demolitionist x2

Preferred Reinforcements:
(Lobot) 16 Gran Raider x4

Just out of curiousity, did you ever play against a Yoda on Kybuck squad? How did it turn out? It just seems like you could ruin the fun swap gimmick in this squad by simply applying Galloping to the grans and other low point swappers (assuming Bill's version is the correct vesion of the most competitive build Blue Bane can have which seems the best variation of the build to me).

The answer to Yobuck is bodyguard - that's what Lobot is for. Anyway, TK-4334 already said that Yobuck is a problem for Cad-Swap.
I'd guess that Never tell me the odds is another problem, as swaping becomes much more dangerous.
@TK-4334: Do you know the actual squad Deeeh used?

Theophagos

@harmonm4: I said just Yobuck is a problem. There is NO Squad that can deal with EVERY Squad. But this one can deal with the most Squads i think.

If there is anybody how knows a squad with auto win potential please tell me :D



@Thepaglos: No, i don´t know. :)
I played against never tell me the odds and it was a hard number but i could kill han with a lot of luck my girlfriend missed all evades on him. so the rest mara and co wasn´t any problem any more.

I agree, if he base bane with yobuck. youbuck is down 120dmg than after won ini next 80 dmg. but its harder to win against a good player with yobuck.


For Nom Bomb u have to choose a Treadwell Droid as Reinforcement so enemy characters looses SS. But Vong isn´t good enough for any big "turnier". So there is no need but i had some Treadwell´s with me safety first

But the point is Yobuck Squads had their problems with some other Squads in exeption of Nom Bomb. Mara, Kyle for example.

Fact is ... there is no Auto-Win-Squad who can deal with all Squads.

For the Swapping Cad squads to work they seem to need 3 more activations than the opponent: Gran moves, Thrawn swap, Cad attack. Don't many of the Slow Cannon squads have more than 12 activations?

If this squad becomes popular, does that bode well for a resurgence of the Muun Tactics Broker?

MTB ? If u play him, please just as Reinforcement. Think about San Hill.

I think Cad Bane will be around but I don't think he will be a real powerhouse, he needs too much help to be good, and on his own he struggles. His +10 base attack is very hindering, and without a boost, or two, no matter how many shoots he gets off he's likely to only connect on half, and he is too fragile for that kind of exchange.
Just my opinion.

I do think we'll see the Rodian trader on more squads, as he can help everything in ways that make borderline fig's usable now.

Two additional points worth mentioning here based on your insights (mainly for everyone else to learn from.)

1 - Dawn of Bane is a top squad not because of its particular power, as many people have already mentioned the weaknesses, but because it could win in the meta it was being played. That's a critical point, one that I cover in detail in some of my playing to win articles on Gamers. Winning at SWMs and most competitive games, isn't just about using the best pieces or squads, it's about understanding what you will be facing and how to counter it, then how to counter the counters and so on. If there were a top level tournament being played next week, I would suggest that people would be prepared for this squad, and something else would likely win, not that this couldn't, but it's odds are lower - obviously a great player with it could still win even in a tough well prepared meta.

The game, and any game for that matter, when it's done right, is when an otherwise "weak" squad can win a given event based on all of the factors beyond the game are taken into effect. This guy didn't win just because of the squad, he won because he was prepared for a certain meta, saw what he expected, and his counter worked the way he thought it would. That is championship play at it's best, that is playing the meta game well. Take a lesson here from the Europeans.

2 - I don't want a massive GOWK discussion, but I would be remiss if I didn't mention it as this is as good of a point as any to do so. GOWK being banned makes this squad possible. In a meta with GOWK, this squad would suffer. It has problem areas already, and isn't particularly more powerful than as TK already suggested, at least 3-4 other squad concepts. I would add, there are several other squad types that would give this trouble in the future as people start to come around to some of the new options, and bring back some older ones in new ways. If GOWK were legal, you would play this and be entirely luck dependent on winning the games - which would make it a poor choice for playing to win. That's the point I don't think many people understood with the GOWK issue. This squad wins, but it's one of many top level potencial squads out there that can compete, in a GOWK meta, this and many of those others cannot - generally only counters and those who are willing to simply exploit the tie breakers can do so.

Do you all see the careful point I am trying to make here? This squad can win a big event when played well, in a meta unprepared for it. It can also be beaten. The same is true of Slow Cannon and Lobbin' Luke, and none of them requires direct counters to do so. As TK said, playing this took skill and being very careful with it. No average player has a chance at winning a big event with this. In fact, I think winning with it says a lot about TK's skill overall as a player, as a meta analyzer and as a tactician. As I have long said, the game is and should be about who does these things the best, not about how well one can roll the dice. Well done, a very well deserved victory!