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i think that with anticipation and recon, reserves can be relied on to win games against the best squads. if you send your reserves to the front lines you will win almost every time. is there anything im not considering?
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Although you can get a masive army they don't have the best synergy.
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shatterpoint i've wondered about this myself and it would seem as though the right build could be tier one. I think a reserves squad limits the builder to the separatist faction because without San Hill MTBs guarantee a squad won't see their reserves.
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Connorgarrett9@yahoo.com wrote:shatterpoint i've wondered about this myself and it would seem as though the right build could be tier one. I think a reserves squad limits the builder to the separatist faction because without San Hill MTBs guarantee a squad won't see their reserves. wow; ive never thought of that before! Though you have to note; MTB squads will probably NEVER be tier 1; so youll rarely play them. Mostly just skybuck/thrawn squads =P. Which brings another point-watch out for strafe and yobuck squads; they can cut through your reserves as fast as you roll them.
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@creme_brule - any squad with Universe Lobot can bring an MTB in as part of reserves. You might not want to in some builds, but a lot of the time it would be a good strategy.
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The best reserves squad I have seen had Kazdan, CLObot, Quigon for The Dejarik one with Smugglers luck and the Houjix. It allows for multiple init rolls and lots of reserves. i got owned.
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@ wannabe Mexican, smugglers luck and recon dont stack you still only get to roll initiative 2x(4 with anticipation). Back to the subject at hand. Most likely Reserves cant be relied on for competitiveness. that is not to say that they cannot be fun or helpful, but you shouldnt rely a squad on them. I have found them to be quite usefull from time to time, like admiral ozzel's. they can change how your enemy reasts, (especially if you bring in 4 stormtroopers surrounding a beatstick.) that being said Where are they all coming from? here is a squad i made a while ago, and played at 2009's gencon with a few changes since then that is based on the idea of making it competitive. enjoy  
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creme_brule wrote:Connorgarrett9@yahoo.com wrote:shatterpoint i've wondered about this myself and it would seem as though the right build could be tier one. I think a reserves squad limits the builder to the separatist faction because without San Hill MTBs guarantee a squad won't see their reserves. wow; ive never thought of that before! Though you have to note; MTB squads will probably NEVER be tier 1; so youll rarely play them. Mostly just skybuck/thrawn squads =P. Which brings another point-watch out for strafe and yobuck squads; they can cut through your reserves as fast as you roll them. The MTB was quite competitive for a time. It can still be an option, with Lobot. Unless you have a way to always gaurentee Reserves, up in the action, Reserve squads will not be top tier. They are far to luck dependent, they bring in rather cheap figs that need a lot of support to be deadly, and it gives far more things for the opponent to kill for points. Fun yes, potentially powerful, yes, but not nearly reliable or good enough to be top tier.
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I'm not so sure. Supreme Chancellor Palpatine can bring some good figures to play, such as some low-point jedi (free Ani Jedi, anyone), Admiral Yularen, either Ahsoka, Doombot (if for some reason you didn't put him in at first lol), or even Mas (ditto)!
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I don't think so. Reserves squads are too luck-dependent. A cold streak on init and you're dead. (More dead than a cold streak on attacks, and it's more likely to happen because you have fewer init rolls so it's easier to have a cold streak.)
Winning a small tournament and being competitive in general, yeah probably. But not competitive enough to run through 8-10 games against top opponents with only 1 loss.
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Darth O wrote:I'm not so sure. Supreme Chancellor Palpatine can bring some good figures to play, such as some low-point jedi (free Ani Jedi, anyone), Admiral Yularen, either Ahsoka, Doombot (if for some reason you didn't put him in at first lol), or even Mas (ditto)! The problem with bringing in a Jedi, is that they start in the starting area. So at least one turn before they are a threat after you bring them in. Only Immediate Reserves are able to get close to the competitive level. Not only do they trigger far more often, but they can also start up in the action, once the action has started. I will amend my statement, Reserves have worked in the 100 pt level, because the swing is much more noticeable. Making your squad 30% bigger is more noticeable than 20% or 15%, and much more difficult to handle. The offensive power is more limited in 100, allowing Kazden to survive in order for the Reserves to hit. Anything more, and you are likely looking at a dead Reserves piece and/or all of your Reserves when it hits, which since they cost points, add up.
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Sithborg wrote:Darth O wrote:I'm not so sure. Supreme Chancellor Palpatine can bring some good figures to play, such as some low-point jedi (free Ani Jedi, anyone), Admiral Yularen, either Ahsoka, Doombot (if for some reason you didn't put him in at first lol), or even Mas (ditto)! The problem with bringing in a Jedi, is that they start in the starting area. So at least one turn before they are a threat after you bring them in. Only Immediate Reserves are able to get close to the competitive level. Not only do they trigger far more often, but they can also start up in the action, once the action has started. I will amend my statement, Reserves have worked in the 100 pt level, because the swing is much more noticeable. Making your squad 30% bigger is more noticeable than 20% or 15%, and much more difficult to handle. The offensive power is more limited in 100, allowing Kazden to survive in order for the Reserves to hit. Anything more, and you are likely looking at a dead Reserves piece and/or all of your Reserves when it hits, which since they cost points, add up. nicely said. 
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Reliability of triggering reserves is not why they lack competitiveness. Its the fact that it gives your opponent x amounts of extra points to work with for their victory goal. Most of the time the peaces you get are not powerful enough to really benefit you. In some cases (Kazdan) the points you bring in usually don't have enough synergy to be competitive.
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Lobot CLO is a reasonably competitive option, right? Especially if you're running someone else with recon or anticipation anyway.
If you're only paying 15 for him, and half of that is for override, then it's maybe worth a shot. You're only spending 7-8 points for a shot at some reserves that are actually flexible and will synergise - you can bring in extra activations, Dash, a TBSV, Jarael.... lots of good options.
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creme_brule wrote:Though you have to note; MTB squads will probably NEVER be tier 1. Not quite true. 2 MTB builds made the top 8 at gencon in 2008. fingersandteeth also used the MTB to win a regional this year. Also with 2 factions that will be mainlining Master Tactition now with new Revan you will begin to see some squads built for MTB start to become popular. To answer the OP even if you roll 4 times you cant be for sure that you will hit your number on the die.
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wannabe mexican wrote:The best reserves squad I have seen had Kazdan, CLObot, Quigon for The Dejarik one with Smugglers luck and the Houjix. It allows for multiple init rolls and lots of reserves. i got owned. What about this SC Palpatine, Mon Mothma, Lobot; CLO, Kazdan, and the reserves for Lobot, Xizor, but the problem with the reserves is that gives you a lot of weak minis, so with a powerful mini like Boba F; BH, Lord Vader, or others with multiple shots, this squad get a lot of problems, greettings.
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I have built around this idea a few times and I actualyl had some success. The squad was an imperial Xizor (IE) squad that ran TBSV, Tarkin (AE), Thrawns etc. There was no beat stick here and I had Xizor and Lobot CLO. I was lucky enough to roll an 11 for init. That added 50 pts to my squad and I was able to level my opponent after that. I have also built squads that have the best chances to being in reserves and never gotten to use them and I get vaped. I think it's very risky business playing the init odds. I will still pass building for it, that doesn't mean I won't get lucky. 
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Yes is a risky play, but if it results is a lot of fun, I play with the SQuad mentioned and against it, in some plays in the "last" round it results and he won the game, I think is a good squad, but not to use in tournaments, only to casualñ Games, greettings.
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Although I've had some fun with Reserves at league lately (one evening was Sen Palpy, one evening was the new Wat), and both evenings I was able to bring in Reserves a couple times in each of the three games (so 6 games), and the Reserves helped cinch or win games, I don't think that Reserves squads will be Tier 1.
Yes, you can help your odds with Recon or Anticipation ...
But it's still too luck dependent. Plus others have posted up some additional good observations above about synergy, etc.
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Anyone know if there is a new reserves piece coming out?
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