Crap. My only semi-good squad is a GGDAC squad. If that's the case, I'll never do well in Regional tournaments.
What about Chameleon Droids?

There is an interesting experiment with the Czerka that I want to try with Greivious. Toss in a few more saves into the mix could be interesting...

I saw a comment in a squad thread about trying to use Princess Leia instead of Rieekan in some of these squads.

So what about this twist on the Rieekan Reinforced Rebels in the first post?

Obi-Wan Kenobi, Unleashed
Luke HPU
Han Smuggler
Princess Leia
Gen Dodonna
R2
Juno
Mouse Droid
Ugo
(150 Points, 9 activations)

Has a ton more damage potential (70 more per round), but loses a lot of survivability, IMO. Would end up playing pretty similar to San squads in that you have to be willing to put a major piece (like Aurra) in harm's way in order to put damage on the opponent as well.

This would slaughter BOB IMO though. Only Ozzel builds would be able to take the chance of swapping in. And if you don't swap out immediately at the beginning of the next round (which would likely be impossible thanks to Juno), then Vader is going to eat 90 damage or so from FP4 and Han's attacks. Again, it'd be an issue of being willing to sacrifice another piece as bait, probably, but wouldn't be a pretty matchup.

I'd worry about how this would fare against GOWK/Dash/Rex though. Without Mobile/Evade, these are all fairly fragile pieces. Maybe if you can manage to take out Rex/Dash before they kill you too much, but a good player won't give you those chances, most likely.

I don't know, just an idea.

I gotta disagree with this. B&B is better in this specific matchup without Ozzel. You need to swap in an unactivated Vader somewhere dangerous. The Rebel player then has to act, odds are force push for 40 and Leia activating to give Luke another shot. Both of those figures will now move as far away from Vader as possible, leaving Han and Juno to likely die. Vader then activates, kills Han and bases juno if he can. When he wins init, he goes first, kills Juno and runs away 10. At best, you have done 70-80dmg to LV, you get two more shots with Luke and Leia if you can still get LOS, and now he swaps away safely.

With Ozzel, if you outactivate it, LV has major issues. Once he moves the swapper anywhere close, Juno disrupts it, since you need 2 full phases to swap.

I've said it many times, Ozzel makes B&B worse overall. This is actually a perfect example of why.

The only thing the Rebel player can do is spread out carefully, but since LV can kill most of your figures from 8 away, whether activated or not, it's a very tall order.

I do not believe this Rebel build can beat a well played B&B without Ozzel on a regular basis.

Sure it is, but it's better without it. If you need Activation control Tarkin is a much better choice.

However, I used to beat San Hill squads regularly with LV B&B without Ozzel or Tarkin. The two activations in a round offers a critical strategic element that helps you beat activation control squads more often than you will do with it.

Play a game with Ozzel being out activated, even by 1. It's an auto-loss. Play the same game without Ozzel, and you will find your kill options improve greatly. That's what B&B is all about, get in, strike something (presumably kill it) and get out. For years, the tactics against opposing activation control was to strike when the opportunity is right earlier in a round, when they don't expect it.

with two activations you can force the action on your terms. With 1, you are screwed more often than not.

We went through this exact argument when Ozzel first came out, and rarely were people winning with Ozzel B&B in 150pts. People quickly came around to the fact that the one activation requirement was just too limiting. Right now people are enamored with the idea of giving LV opportunist, but the same result will happen. Opp Thrawn is a good choice because it gets you another swapper, and the ability to hit some squads harder with LV than before. But Ozzel doesn't offer you nearly as much help as the options he takes away.

Ozzell vs No Ozzell

Anyone who is useing this threat to help them get an idea of what to run or playtest for regionals here are some thoughts to keep in mind...

Without Ozzell: If you are not running Ozzell (or San Hill) with your squad whether BoB or otherwise it holds some advantages and disadvanatges. You maintain the 2 activations per round which allows suprise your opponent better than 1. Being able to swap and activate the swaped piece in the same round can be key. Or being able to move 6 with LV, attack and then swap him out. Also you maintian the ability to open a door with lobot and the move and attack with LV (pr any other character) in the same round. Also moving a piece and it's BG in the same round. Also keep in mind if your opponent out activates by alot more than a couple characters there is alot thats going to happen after your last piece has gone. Always to keep in mind those possibilities while you still have pieces left to do something about it.

With Ozzell: If you have Ozzell (or San Hill) you should be building your squad as well as plalning to play the squad in a way that benefits a great deal from what for your opponent to activate all their figures and then you strike and strike hard. I also see a lot of players feel they need to get ozzell/san killed once the initial out activate and charge has happened, but thats not always the case. Especially in the round right after the charge. Keeping one key piece such as lobot or a geno assasin until the end of the round. Sometimes you can put them in a bad postion at the beginning of the round by locking a key door after they have activated their last piece or run up a geno and base rex even if it takes 12 movement. Anything that hurts the way they might have been planning their first activations next round. Even rounning a few uggies or mouse droids out at the end to block non accurate los.


Whichever way you plan your squad, remember that each version plays alot different. If you aren't running temp control (except dodonna), use that to your advantage against san or ozzell. Such as galloping in with yobuck and then swapping in jarjar in the same phase so they have no real response. If you are playing san or ozzell use the out activation in every round you can benefit from it. Don't activate a piece too early when you don't have too. Obviously if cunning is an issue or the piece is low on hp (or perhaps just at risk of dieing) use them while you can, but if there isn;t any risk of jolt or death, wait until it benefits you most.

I probably could have written more but the main thing to keep in mind is they play very differently and you need to plan your moves and pre game choices based on which whether you will have tempo control or not. If you walk into a game playing a squad with san hill or ozzell that was designed without them in mind, with a strat meant for 2 activations per phase the piece won't help you.

In Rebel or NR, you could give them Evade. GOWK at least ups the defence of followers, so that helps. JWMs get 23 natural Def (27 in cover) and they are non-unique. Seps are pretty much screwed unless you run GGDAC. Sith have access to GMobile thru the Twilek BSV. And so on...

I stand corrected Omnus...you're an oak.
Thank you for showing us that squad and the basis for it.

oops...sorry...forgot the smiley! (and yes, it was meant to be honest and truly thankful)

Could you enumerate on "a ton of issues"? Omnus' explanation of why it could work in our local Meta made sense to me. I'm interested to know what issues you believe it has.