Set vs Set tournament

Command of the Galaxy - General_Grievous
vs
Knights of the Old Republic - Mando

Post your squads and explain why you will win. Everyone else - vote publicly for who you think will win. I'll track votes in this top post. (I reserve the right to exclude votes based on suspected sock puppet accounts.)

Voting ends December 11, 2015, 3:00pm EST (New York time).

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Currently 7-4 to Command of the Galaxy. Though interestingly, if Mando changes his vote to vote for himself, it becomes a tie.

I vote Command of the Galaxy. The gungans just don't have the damage output to put any real hurt on Durge or Grievous before they get decimated. Even if Durge could be taken out before a devastating strafe run, Grievous still has damage reduction 10 and galloping attack.

I'd probably go with Cantina as my map of choice.

I do outactivate by a lot in the matchup. But I don't think it will be enough, so I do have to concede this matchup since I was hoping to not be pitted against a gallop attack/strafe squad in hopes a squad with those components would be eliminated. Grievous and Durge have too much HP to stop both in time to save the whole squad, and Talon could shut down my CE and Assaj could deep strike. Nice squad General_Grievous! two scissors options is really strong and I think it definitely is the weakness of my squad.

My question is, are Vehicles considered to be non-living because if you can outactivate, swap in a Gungan and then potentially activate the scissors pieces it closes the window some. I still think the beefy strafe wins because it would have to be a failed save fest for it not to. Love me some Gungans and were they paired against something a little less countering they would win a lot of matchups.

Vote goes to Command.

Command of the Galaxy. Bummer about the hard matchup, it's hard to see a good squad go down since it's first opponent was a direct counter.

(We should run through the tournament a second time with the same squads but different bracketing, to give the squads that met their counter right away a second chance at being awesome )

I have to agree with urbanjedis assessment here, the huge act. Advantage and not having a rangebon those cestas makes the gungans a tough matchup since they can spread out so much that it is hard to track them all down before they can drop a bunch of damage on you. Also I am not sure, but they may be able to activate the wheelbike with a cesta throw and therefore possibly prevent his gallop. I know they have an activating component to their cesta, just can't remember how its s worded and how it would affect a cyborg piece.

That play report is really odd. If I was playing that squad I would just camp around gambit but out of sight on whatever side of the rocks I started. There should never be a reason to deep strike any Gungans unless the player leaves them all clustered. The point is anyone that approaches gambit gets 70 damage on them AND the strafer can tuck themselves back out of line of sight each time. Durge alone can go out 12 squares, clean sweep gambit then go back out of line of sight. I can't ever see a time that I would go for a big strafe and then sit there and be pummelled. I may play-test this tonight myself and prove that if the Separatist player plays with even a shred of tactics and doesn't just sit in the open that Seps win every single time.

Out of curiousith tried my own sample game. Seps set up on left side and maneuver into position just out of sight. Gungans spread out to stay out of strafe range and send Jar Jar and one Artilleriest in, both sides get gambit. Republic wins initiative and successfully stuns Grievous. Durge kills Gungan and uses movement to move back into cover. Asajj cloaked round 1 and is now with the separatist cluster near gambit. Gungans move another Artilleriest up. Next round Seps win initiative and Grievous moves. Strafes Jar Jar but is forced to attack himself and misses with a 2 but kills Gungan. Durge strafers jar jar and damages himself 20 and jar jar to 40, again both move into cover. Gungans swap in an artillierst and attempt to damage grievous who is in front. Grievous saves both.

Fourth round Durge goes first and purges the Artilleriest and again does 20 to himself and 20 to jar jar. jar Jar attacks and misses. Todo self destruct sequence kills jar jar and panaka swaps in another gungan. This time Grievous fails both saves and takes a total of 20 damage after damage reduction. With Jar Jar gone the cycle continues. Republic can't get more than one Gungan close to gambit. Both sides are able to get gambit each round but Separatist keep whittling away at attackers without stretching to far. Separatist victory and I didn't lose either strafer.

Tried another setting up from the right hand side. First round both players activate extras and move up somewhat closely. Republic player starts spreading characters out more than they already are. Both strafers are based closer but out of sight. 2nd round seps win initiative and activate the three other members first. Republic activates T3, Tarpals, Panaka and soldier. All but the soldier are in the Rancor pen to keep Tarpals safe. Separatists move Talon and Asajj up to meat shield against cestas. Talon makes a lucky shot against an unshield gungan. Gungans retaliate with cestas. Asajj takes 20 damage and force point rerolls her other hit to avoid it. Next phase Grievous and Durge move up just behind Asajj and Talon. With Grievous positioned to strafe north and Durge south. Separatists are out of activations and Republic carnage commences. Asajj shields well making just over half of her saves with the help of the force but goes down finally to the sustained barrage. A lucky angle allows the remaining 3 successful cestas to hit Grievous down to 100 HP. Next round Separatists win initiate and Grievous moves first. He avoids Jar Jar and kills the 2 shield bearers and soldier that had to come within 6 to hit as well as 2 artilieriests hiding to the north. Grievous only needs to not roll a 1 and doesn't. Gungans react by trying to move and cripple Durge. They get lucky and hit 3 out of 4 times. Durge is down to 50 but it's his turn next. With a 24 square range he avoids Jar Jar and kills all but one of the Artileriests are killed needing only a 2 or more. T3 opens door for Panaka to and Tarpals to help but Panaka misses with a 6. Talon takes a shot at Jar Jar but has to target himself and misses. Next round Republic goes first and attacks Grievous with remaining shield bearer to activate him, they unfortunately succeed. Grievous is down to 80 and activated. Durge goes next and kills the last Artilleriest as well as T3 and Wounds Panaka. Panaka takes a shot at grievous and hits to knock him down to 70. Talon shoots at Panaka and misses again.
Next round seps win initiative and Durge moves in to kill Panaka and wound Tarpals. A shot from Grievous seals the deal and all that is left is Jar Jar. Grievous hit him on a strafe to shoot Tarpals and knocked him down to 30. Talon lucks out and manages to score a hit on everyone's most hated gungan and todo kanaka zones to finish him off and end the game with an 80 HP Grievous and 50 HP Durge. Even if I had failed more saves Grievous's damage reduction is huge and using be rest of the team as a meat shield allows my strafers to get close enough to wipe the floor of Gungans. There is just nowhere for them to hide from that range when EITHER strafer can deal enough to kill everything and move out on different paths.

The "meat shield" with force re-rolls decided me CotG. Don't forget Tuna Bikes damage reduction 10. Take a lot of failed Cestas to chip away at him.

Easer then remembering Tsmeu-6.