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I don't understand what the draw is in remaking a lot of the characters we already have. I know I've done a few, but I've been missing the figure and decided to build it. There are just too many Vader, Luke, Boba Fett, Han, Starkiller, Mace, Anakin, etc. figures. WAY too many. I know that it's all just for fun, but there's such a wide range of stuff for people to draw from, why are we still focusing on the dead horse?
I don't mean any offense to those who enjoy coming up with alternate stats; they've all been very well done. I also understand updating figures that may need it; Rebel Storm is terribly basic as far as abilities go. I just don't see the draw in continually generating what's essentially the same character. It's one of the only things that has irritated me about the way this game was run. I was quite let down by Masters of the Force, having expected more from a "last hoorah". I feel mini slots were waisted on creating more Mace, Anakin, Kit Fisto, and even Plo Koon. I have personally am enamored by Master Koon and STILL wish they would have done something else. A common Cerean would have been nice, the LEAST Wizards could have done was to make sure they had a figure for each gender of each race in the Core book for the RPG. I didn't think that to be too great a task.
I'm just going to have to make a female Gamorrean...okay, joking aside. I do love both games, I guess my venting boils down to being disappointed with the attention this game got. Sorry about the rant, as I said, I don't mean to be offensive to anyone, if I have been I apologize. No offense was intended. Does anyone else share this opinion? Is there an opposing view willing to discuss in a constructive manner? Thanks, I hope this can generate an interesting discussion.
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A couple points in response to your arguments: 1) For most of the repeat characters, they serve much different purposes. You can't tell me Boba Fett, Bounty Hunter and Boba Fett, Mercenary Commander serve the same function - they're even in completely different factions! The same goes for the Vaders. Some are great individual fighters, some are commanders. It represents the many different facets of the characters that were greatly fleshed out in the movies and books.
2) The designers for Masters of the Force didn't know it was going to be the last set. Had they known, they likely would have tried to throw in more of the 'last hoorah' figures than they did. They were approaching it as if it were just another set, so I don't think they can be blamed for that. We got plenty of great figs in Masters of the Force. Ganner is now a staple in a lot of competitive NR builds, Arden is a great interference piece for Imperial Swap Squads, Plo gives some great versatility to Republic squads, including Yobuck, and we got ALL of the Dejarik pieces so we can now play Dejarik! And there are a bunch of other great pieces in there, too.
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1) I never denied that each piece was useful for individual purposes. For instance, I love the 501st boosting Vader. Epic for lovers of the 501st, like myself. I know each one does something different. I'm even happy they do. All I'm saying is I don't think there ought to have been quite so many. Did there really need to be close to 20 Vader/Anakin figures?
2) Masters had some good stuff, I won't deny. The Dejarik pieces are where it's at. I had just hoped for something a little more is all.
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If you are referring to custom stats, I don't know what you want. Everyone has a different favorite character. You can't expect everyone to want to make random unknown character X. I personally can't get enough Vaders.
As for the virtual sets, just remember, the vast majority of our player base cannot make new minis.
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The statement about virtual sets makes sense, sad to say I didn't really think about not being able to make something. Course, proxies and paper models can always be used as well. And I know people aren't terribly thrilled to stat Senate Guard #1. Look at most of my customs, they're all big(ish) names: Darth Malgus, Darth Desolous, Master Ven Zallow, Satele Shan, Hondo Karr, even darth Plagueis mostly because I was unsatisfied and didn't have his figure). And I get wanting to contribute to your favorite character, hence my Mcquarrie Skywalker figure. I've heard similar things from others, so I know it isn't just me. I suppose my comments are mainly aimed towards the official releases rather than virtual sets. Honestly, who doesn't want to recreate their favorite characters in their favorite moments?
As I've stated, I'm not trying to be contentious or stir up any negative feelings in any way at all. So maybe the "Rant" title is a bit inappropriate, I'll change it.
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Also, Wizards (I initially spelt it 'Wizrads'... I think that sounds kinda cool) had to put out scores of Vader's, Lukes etc., because some clowns want 50 of them. These clowns buy the packs in the hope of getting a piece of the movie in some way, and Vader/Lukey is the antithesis of that (not sure if that word usage it right, but I just wanted to use it in a sentence). So, Wizrads put lots in so clowns would buy more boosters. Clowns. I'm a clown. I want another Luke. Oh, pleeeeease V-set me up another Luke...
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I understand that, I had to order Han, Chewie, 3PO, R2, and the Sith Palpatine so I could have all the major players. I'm still missing my Starkiller though...I might have to find a way to sculpt one sometime. (Wizrads does sound pretty slick, gives them some street cred yo  )
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Well I have to agree with Skinnerman02 on this topic. Like he said no offense to anyone out there who like's to remake certain characters. The point I like to touch on would be his, " The LEAST Wizards could have done was to make sure they had a figure for each gender of each race in the Core book for the RPG!" I have been thinking that thought myself. Many times over. Custom remake's of people's favorite character's is cool. I love reading what other people's idea's are for any custom made SW character. My thing was Wotc re-making/beating dead horse's and making the tenth Vader/Luke/Han Solo.....etc! MotF was just as disappointing for me and I love every set they've made up until the last one. To me, it was the "Fourth of July" with only a one fire cracker finale.
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To be fair to Wizards, they did improve a LOT after TFU. Only 2 sets had 2 of the same character in the same set. You have to appeal to a broad market, and sadly, the EU stuff isn't as well known.
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Sithborg is right, EU isn't outrageously marketable. But those who buy and play the game, for the majority, are those who ARE familiar with EU stuff. Not a single person I know who plays the game is a stranger to EU. Ironically, TFU was my favorite set, followed closely by Bounty Hunters. There was plenty of cool stuff, and less repeats, afterward, but TFU is still a fav!
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Sorry still not in agreement. I'd rather see new character's, as in new idea's for different races. Or expanding on SW as a whole. There are a bunch of new character's from the Clone Wars series. *cough* Mando's/Death Watch or the new Clone Troopers with real names. *cough*  Plus the EU character's in my opinion, hasn't even had the surface scratched with all of those possibilities. There are just WAY too many SW character's out there for Wotc to make Luke or Grievous for the 7th time. Now Wotc did make us a great game, don't get me wrong. I'm not bagging on them. They put a lot of time and effort into our game. I just think they could have made some other SW mini's rather than 9 Vader's. Boba Fett was and alway's will be my favorite character. But I don't need 8 Boba Fett's.  Well maybe I do but still, MotF could have been a more thought out set. Oh and Bounty Hunter's was my all time favorite so far!!!
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Sithborg wrote:To be fair to Wizards, they did improve a LOT after TFU. Only 2 sets had 2 of the same character in the same set. You have to appeal to a broad market, and sadly, the EU stuff isn't as well known. By improvements do you mean fix what was broken character wise? Or made a wider variety of mini's? Ya they need broad market appeal, but isn't that the point! My son who is 13 wouldn't care what you named a character. He hasn't been around as long as I have as far as SW is concerned. *cough* I was 6 when Star Wars A New Hope came out.  You make a New Cool Sith Lord or a cool looking Mandolorian and my son and brother will want to play as him in SW mini's or SWRPG. I show him the latest stat's for the Han Solo re-make and he's like ( whatever). Then he asks me if they made any character's from the "Clone Wars" on cartoon network and I shake my head and sigh.
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I also feel like we were overwhelmed with repeat characters. I wanted more EU stuff and I also agree that most people who play this game are familiar with the EU. However, I understand why the repeats were made because of the popularity of certain characters. LucasFilms probably dictated a lot of what Wizards put out in regards to Star Wars. I'm sure LucasFilm's control over ideas was part of the reason Wizards discontinued the game.
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ParkPlayerJD wrote:I also feel like we were overwhelmed with repeat characters. I wanted more EU stuff and I also agree that most people who play this game are familiar with the EU. However, I understand why the repeats were made because of the popularity of certain characters. LucasFilms probably dictated a lot of what Wizards put out in regards to Star Wars. I'm sure LucasFilm's control over ideas was part of the reason Wizards discontinued the game. Repeats are fine, as in 2 or 3. Even if you want to cover all the movie's. As in 3 different Anakin's or 3 Han Solo's. But Vader with 8 different variations of the Sith title in his name is a bit much. And too be completely honest, I know very little about the EU. I know some, but not much. I don't have much of a comic collection because any spare money goes into the "Booster/Case fund." And I would still rather see more EU character's rather than the next Kit Fisto Jedi Master,Padawan Trainer/All around Great Jedi.
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SquelchDog wrote:ParkPlayerJD wrote:I also feel like we were overwhelmed with repeat characters. I wanted more EU stuff and I also agree that most people who play this game are familiar with the EU. However, I understand why the repeats were made because of the popularity of certain characters. LucasFilms probably dictated a lot of what Wizards put out in regards to Star Wars. I'm sure LucasFilm's control over ideas was part of the reason Wizards discontinued the game. Repeats are fine, as in 2 or 3. Even if you want to cover all the movie's. As in 3 different Anakin's or 3 Han Solo's. But Vader with 8 different variations of the Sith title in his name is a bit much. And too be completely honest, I know very little about the EU. I know some, but not much. I don't have much of a comic collection because any spare money goes into the "Booster/Case fund." And I would still rather see more EU character's rather than the next Kit Fisto Jedi Master,Padawan Trainer/All around Great Jedi. Agreed, seeing unknown minis is what made me delve deeper into the EU. Wookiepedia is a fantastic read when you're bored at work, LOL.
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ParkPlayerJD wrote:SquelchDog wrote:ParkPlayerJD wrote:I also feel like we were overwhelmed with repeat characters. I wanted more EU stuff and I also agree that most people who play this game are familiar with the EU. However, I understand why the repeats were made because of the popularity of certain characters. LucasFilms probably dictated a lot of what Wizards put out in regards to Star Wars. I'm sure LucasFilm's control over ideas was part of the reason Wizards discontinued the game. Repeats are fine, as in 2 or 3. Even if you want to cover all the movie's. As in 3 different Anakin's or 3 Han Solo's. But Vader with 8 different variations of the Sith title in his name is a bit much. And too be completely honest, I know very little about the EU. I know some, but not much. I don't have much of a comic collection because any spare money goes into the "Booster/Case fund." And I would still rather see more EU character's rather than the next Kit Fisto Jedi Master,Padawan Trainer/All around Great Jedi. Agreed, seeing unknown minis is what made me delve deeper into the EU. Wookiepedia is a fantastic read when you're bored at work, LOL. Oh ya, Wookiepedia rule's! And I go there for the same exact reason you stated. To delve deeper.  Just for kick's I typed in 4 name's into bloo milk's search character engine. We had 16 different set's released not counting the little 2 mini sets or the 6 mini's starter sets. And this is what I counted not including re-prints of the same mini's with the same name and stat's. This is what I found just typing in 4 names. 16 different sets From Rebel Storm to Masters of the Force. And we have........... 13 Luke Skywalkers 10 Han Solo's 10 Leia's 10 Darth Vader's
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I won't deny I wish they still made the 60 piece sets and maybe we would have gotton more of the different specis, genders and minor character's. In my thought. I believe that we had to have the many different versions of the iconic movie character's. As the game grew, the new versions of each character (SD's list of 13 Luke Skywalkers, 10 Han Solo's, 10 Leia's, 10 Darth Vader's and multiples of others) had to happen in order to stay some what competative with newer sets and abilities. So that they may see a chance of play and not be forgotten to the mega EU stars or minor movie character's. Also, the movie character's are LucasFilm's bread and butter. Your definatly not getting the rights to make any mini without making newer versions of them from time to time.
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Having played SWCCG, not having a bunch of variety in the mains, especially when they are made Rares isn't that fun. It was 6 sets later till they released a second version of Vader.
As always it is a balancing act. You need the iconics (movies and Clone Wars cartoon), along with the barely known.
And again, it is preference. I was always hoping for a new Vader over them making a Revan.
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As I said, repeats on occasion are fine; but it was almost 1 every set. I too was a fan of the old Decipher CCG, and it did take awhile for them to repeat characters, but I liked that, made them more special when you had one. It is preference though, and marketing. Classic Trilogy and popular characters sell better than "No Name Jedi General #28", or what have you.
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Darth Vader, Sith Apprentice is one of my favourite Darth Vaders so I am pretty glad they made a new version of him. I too would take a new Vader over a new Revan any day. To me it makes much more sense to make multiple Vaders. Half of the sith giants are EU characters from the star wars era that I have had very little interest in. I intend to start reading the comics from that era, but they are pretty low down on my to do list.
I think Wizards did it pretty well with the amount of EU characters they made. They were by no means perfect and there are mistakes, a few wasted R and VR slots, but all in all I am pleased with what we have been given.
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