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Spreading like the Rakghoul Disease in an Ewok Village.

Hit Points: 140
Defense: 19
Attack: 15
Damage: 20
Rarity: Rare
Base: Medium
Gender: Male
Creator: saber1
Created: 12/10/2013
Updated: 12/14/2013
Sets: A Jedi's PathCCC EntriesThe Master Set

Special Abilities

  • Unique. Melee Attack. Triple Attack.
  • Blaster 20 (Replaces attacks: sight; +12 Attack for 20 Damage)
  • Djem So Style (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack against that attacker.)
  • Force Bond (An ally who counts as Jaden Korr gains Lightsaber Defense)
  • Lightsaber Trainer (At the start of the skirmish, after setup, choose an ally with a Force rating and a lightsaber who costs less than this character. Also choose Shii-Cho Style, Makashi Style, Soresu Style, Ataru Style, Djem So Style, or Niman Style. For the rest of the skirmish, the chosen ally gains the chosen special ability.)
  • Melee Duelist (+4 Defense when attacked by an adjacent enemy)
  • Mettle (If this character spends 1 Force point to reroll, add +4 to the result)

Force Powers

Commander Effect

Allies with a Lightsaber and Melee Attack gain Lightsaber Precision.

"The Force is a tool, Jaden. Sometimes a weapon, sometimes a salve. Dark Side, Light Side, these are distinctions of insignificant difference. Do not fall into the trap of classification. Sentience curses us with a desire to categorize and draw lines, to fear that after this be dragons."

Average Rating: --
saber1
12/10/2013 10:17:31 PM (Updated: 12/10/2013 10:18:02 PM)

I wish KKJBM had the JM subtitle so I could use JBM here. Oh well. This is Kyle as a fully trained master with some Force tricks but heavy on melee combat. As there are already 2 versions with Disruptive (Jan can give this piece Distraction) I've opted not to include it. Lightsaber Trainer reflects his role as master to several apprentices as well as battlemaster of the NJO. Leaping Assault = Falling Leaf technique, Blaster 20 = Bryar pistol.
saber1
12/10/2013 10:27:36 PM

Fun pairings: Saba with Soresu Style, Kyle with GMA from Luke, Luke GH with Djem So, Mara Jade Jedi with Ataru or Djem So, Jaina with LSPrecision, Ganner with LSP, Lowbacca with Ataru and LSP, Zekk with Djem So, Jacen with Djem So and LSP...
SignerJ
12/10/2013 11:42:11 PM

This is very undecosted. With Jan, he's Quadding at +19 Attack for 30 Damage. He can move 6 squares on his turn and still make those attacks, he has a ranged attack, and he has Lightsaber Defense. Even worse, he has Force Renewal 2. This guy would be worth more than 60 points, NOT including Lightsaber Trainer.
saber1
12/10/2013 11:56:30 PM (Updated: 12/11/2013 12:04:23 AM)

@SignerJ: You make valid points. However, he can only Quad on the move when using 2 FPs or paired with LSGH. So, to quad on the move for 120 damage will either drain FPs and leave little for defense/precision/lightning, or cost 66 points for Luke and Jan. That puts him on par with Mara Jade, Jedi for damage but at 20-86 points more. With Luke/Jan you have 131 points tied up in 3 characters, limiting your options for Lightsaber Trainer as well as the CE.
saber1
12/11/2013 12:01:21 AM

As a comparison, Maul CotS has Quad with access to Twin and Rage for 12 points less (1 point less with HoloSid). Maul SI has Double/Twin/Rage 2/Ambush on his own for 8 points less.
Deathwielded
12/11/2013 12:16:17 AM

Holosid can't help Maul CotS besides the weakness he has is he has a hard time getting all 8 attacks out with no movement breakers. A good comparison would be with the new {Darth Sidious, Supreme Chancellor} who has Quad and Leaping Assualt with Sith Rage. Renewal 2 does seem like too much for Master Kyle and I have some concerns with him having Lightsaber Trainer with a cost of 65 (will research further) I think you could tone him down a bit and switch out Quad for Triple and take Renewal down to 1. Cool CE!
saber1
12/11/2013 12:52:09 AM (Updated: 12/11/2013 1:28:39 AM)

Dang, always think HoloSid is a Sep. Still, Maul SI is a valid comparison (as is Darth Sid SC as you pointed out).
Deathwielded
12/11/2013 1:34:59 AM

Indeed Maul SI is a good comparison. I think we need a V-set Nute Gunray or someone that brings holosid into the Seps,
saber1
12/11/2013 1:55:28 AM (Updated: 12/11/2013 1:58:26 AM)

Galen Marek isn't a poor comparison either. For 1 point more he has Double/Twin. He can also gain Evade, GMA (@ 16 fewer points), +10 damage or 2 extra attacks from Leia, has his own movement breaker, has similar stats and can bust doors.
saber1
12/11/2013 2:01:52 AM (Updated: 12/11/2013 2:02:30 AM)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not dismissive of your input and I agree that at first glance he looks really stacked for 65 points. Compared to Sidious, Maul and Marek with and without faction interactions, I don't see his cost being overly aggressive. I dig this discussion and look forward to more of your thought on the matter.
SignerJ
12/11/2013 2:15:26 AM

Oops, I forgot the Sidious has Leaping Assault. In that case, the only thing that I see an issue with is the Force Renewal 2.
saber1
12/12/2013 4:04:25 PM (Updated: 12/13/2013 6:25:10 PM)

Bumped cost from 65 to 68. Dropped Defense from 20 to 19. He should be more in line with Darth Sidious, Supreme Chancellor.
saber1
12/13/2013 10:26:21 PM

After more thought, despite really wanting to use Quad, I decided to drop it in favor of Triple. The price went down to 61 as a result. Additionally, with 4 Force points (Riposte x2) and Jan Ors he tops at 130 damage, 110 if he uses Leaping Assault.
CerousMutor
12/13/2013 10:39:31 PM

Can I ask what do you use for working out your cost? Do you have a program?
saber1
12/14/2013 1:42:06 AM

If I design a piece based on stats and then price (as opposed to starting on a price, then building to suit) I compare to pieces with similar stats and abilities. Things that help chose proper comparisons are base stats, signature abilities/powers (i.e. Overwhelming Force, LSThrow 5, Advanced Battle Meditation), interactions of chosen abilities/powers and Faction synergies.
saber1
12/14/2013 1:43:29 AM

WotC didn't price things consistently so figuring out a "system" has proven problematic to those who have made the attempt. It's as much art as it is science.
saber1
12/14/2013 2:16:29 AM (Updated: 12/14/2013 2:16:53 AM)

A few more last minute tweaks before entering in CCC. Added Force Bond for Jaden Korr synergy and upped price to 64.
saber1
12/24/2013 4:00:07 PM

Won CCC week 21!
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