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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 12/7/2008 Posts: 685 Location: a galaxy far far away
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Or you could do what SWShoebox does
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 11/3/2008 Posts: 498 Location: somewhere over the rainbow (a rainbow in Indiana)
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Quote:imyurhukaberry wrote: Vol: Only thing with that is the originator can currently post all he wants on his own squads. Also, someone could post a bunch of "A"s and get the top spot. If limited to one comment per user, then you got the multiple account users that will abuse it. (just pointing out some stuff) well i think user post wouldn't count and yes 1 post per would help as for multi-accounters,well, we probably wont ever fix that...
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Rank: Destroyer Droid Groups: Member
Joined: 8/2/2008 Posts: 30 Location: Des Moines, IA
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engineer wrote:What about a "fun" rating and a "competitive" rating?
Removing folks with multiple accounts would be nice, but is it really worth the effort? It is a game for fun and not work.
How about: If you have less than 10 posted squads, no rating others. If you have at least 25 public squads, then you can rate 25 other squads. If you have over 25 public squads, then you can rate as much as you want to.
This makes 'shell' accounts much more difficult. So far I like Engineer's idea the best, and my second favorite is the Favorites idea. Both could work well with out causing all out wars. Splitting the top squads into 100, 150, and 200 groupings could work with either method and I think it's a good idea.
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Rank: AT-RT Groups: Member
Joined: 4/1/2008 Posts: 35 Location: Inside of Sarlaac
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I agree with Lady Hothie, Engineer's idea is a great won. I personally create more themed or fun squads and it stinks when people give it a low score.
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Rank: Sith Marauder Groups: Member
Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 899 Location: Farmingdale, NY
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BobaFett62 wrote:I agree with Lady Hothie, Engineer's idea is a great won. I personally create more themed or fun squads and it stinks when people give it a low score. I would like to keep the 5 newest squads, any way you could fit that in?
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Rank: Ewok Groups: Member
Joined: 9/2/2008 Posts: 1
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Maybe there should be a different system i realized that it has been very screwd by people who go with a 1 to knock others squads down so theirs can rise to the top. I dont think there is a way to fix the system, the only way would be if there were people who were honest and did things the right way, by figuring out how the squad is used and realizing that it does have weknesses but, how often would they come across them? Maybe there should be a select group of people who rate squads in the right way and people shouldnt be able to rate their own squads. The system could be fixed a little by using comments instead of just numbers but then people would just leave silly comments. I personally get really irritated when one of my squads has a high rating and has quite a few, then someone comes by and drops a 1, then i get my idea shot down, but after thinking about it there isnt actually much that can be done, besides making people mature a little and rate squads the way they are supposed to be rated.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 10/28/2008 Posts: 102 Location: Somedays I swear ECHO base is a tropical getaway.
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I would like to see the number ranking system stay, another option to throw in would be a win loss ratio that the user could update after he's used the squad, it would encourage people to post what worked and what didn't work, and let's face it those numbers speak for themselves far greater than the 1-10 will.
Forcing people to leave comments will not end the 1's it will make it worse as you're now forcing him to insult you. However I think that when you rate a squad your username with the score you gave it should be posted and viewable by clicking on the overall rating of the squad.
What I don't like about engineers idea is that it's easy to create 25 100pt jawa armies and continue rating 1's.
I like the idea of having a 1 month waiting period before being able to rate squads, as well as there should be someway of registering a single username to 1 email account, that will not end the 1's but severely hamper their efforts.
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Rank: Sith Marauder Groups: Member
Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 899 Location: Farmingdale, NY
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I would also recommend that for anybody designing the same setup squad as the other person, the pop-up or something will close and said, "Sorry, this squad has already been created" and if anyone has the same squad name, it would say "please change a new name" to prevent further repetitive squads from entering, causing massive floods of looking at the same squad over and over again..
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 12/7/2008 Posts: 197
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I think that the rating part itself should be taken out, and the same program should be put on the comment, so you can rate as you leave a comment, instead of rating and leaving. Persoally, I don't get on much, but ehen I do, I usally glance on squads and say," hey! this deserves at least a 5 or 7, not a 2!" Basically what I'm saying is that a rating is a simple form of a comment, put into a number. So, people who post squads should get feedback in advice form instead of a number, so they can see what they did wrong, or right instead of a yes, this is good, or no, this is terrible.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 7/28/2008 Posts: 112 Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Saw the new 200/150/100 breakdown, great stuff! However I personally used the "More..." button all the time to find new squads to rate, and would like that to stay.
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Rank: Sith Marauder Groups: Member
Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 899 Location: Farmingdale, NY
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vanlanning wrote:I think that the rating part itself should be taken out, and the same program should be put on the comment, so you can rate as you leave a comment, instead of rating and leaving. Persoally, I don't get on much, but ehen I do, I usally glance on squads and say," hey! this deserves at least a 5 or 7, not a 2!" Basically what I'm saying is that a rating is a simple form of a comment, put into a number. So, people who post squads should get feedback in advice form instead of a number, so they can see what they did wrong, or right instead of a yes, this is good, or no, this is terrible. That might not be a good idea, considering that people can flood comments to improve their own rating, even if it is negative
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Rank: Sith Marauder Groups: Member
Joined: 11/4/2008 Posts: 899 Location: Farmingdale, NY
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raitalin wrote:Saw the new 200/150/100 breakdown, great stuff! However I personally used the "More..." button all the time to find new squads to rate, and would like that to stay. You know what, I have to agree to keep the number ratings the way it is... and the more button option is beneficial, on the top 200, 150, 100 squads... I don't like to see top squads to be so limited and restricted. Each Top rating squads should have a "more" button, linking all the set amount of squads (whether if it's top 200, it goes to the list of 200pt squads that have rating, so forth and so on) that already HAVE ratings from top to least rated. The new squads that you put is perfect... but what about unrated squads? Can there be a link next to new squads? That way when certain days have been passed from New Squads, it becomes squads that are currently unrated
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Rank: Administration Groups: Administration
Joined: 10/2/2008 Posts: 351 Location: Kent, WA
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Lots of good ideas here. For now, I've created a page to see a ton of new squads (instead of just 5). http://www.bloomilk.com/Squads/NewSquads.aspxI also revamped the "My Squads" page to show the top squads from each of the 3 DCI point levels separately. There's a new formula used for determining which squads are the top squads. Those missing the "More..." button can look up and see the Squad Ratings link on that page or the Squad Ratings link in the menu. I can add it back in if completely necessary, but it really seems extraneous. Also I added paging to the list of "My Squads". The page should load quite a bit faster now, if you have a lot of squads--and the filter options at the top are loading faster as well. If you want to see Republic 200 point squads, you can select the filter options and it should load pretty quickly. The Squad Ratings page should load faster now, and I upped the number of votes you can filter the squads by (up to a maximum of 50 now, instead of 10) 10 is now the default. Lastly, I updated the Squads Search page and Squad Ratings page so when you click on a squad name, it opens in a new tab (or a whole new window if you have an old browser). This way, you can leave your seach results up, and click on each of the squads you want to see. Let me know what you think of the changes. None of this directly addressing the rating issue, but they're changes that needed to be made anyway.
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Rank: Moderator Groups: Member
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Joined: 8/24/2008 Posts: 5,201
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They are great. Good job. Though, a squad I didn't make public showed up. I don't know if that only happens with my own squads, or it will happen with others.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 97 Location: Vancouver, WA
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i think the changes are awesome. i still think that making it so you have to comment to leave a rating is the best way to fix the rating problem.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 1/16/2009 Posts: 75 Location: Rock Island
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I don't agree with the time restriction on rating and commenting on squads. As a new user who wants to get involved, I would feel unwelcome and like my opinion doesn't matter. Registration would be cool and attempting to limit the amount of accounts one person could have would be great.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 8/26/2008 Posts: 937 Location: Phiadelphia, PA
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i think that imyurhukaberry had the best idea w/ whoever likes a squad add it to a favorites squad listing, more favorites of one squad gets up there in the ratings. & if u keep the number rating system then basically what i said before u can try, when it first gets rated lets say a squad's first rating is a 10 cuz its usualy a normal rating at first before the 1's come in ok lets say its a 10 then the next rater of the squad only has the option of maybe 8 - 10 to just keep it sticky like that w/ the average. once more & more people start rating it ,if the ratings go down then the average lowers being able to only pick maybe 3 numbers below the average, as more people rate it depending it goes up or down keep the rating numbers close to the average. so u dont have a squad thats getting rated 9 through 10's & get rated a 1 & it drops sevearly. another I.E. basically if an average goes down to in the 7's then next rater can only rate in between a 5 & up.. its hard to explain it but i think its a good idea, u'll be promised never to drop so low with one rating that people will have a longer time to see ur squad, again hard to explain , ill explain it more if u have any questions.. thanx
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Rank: Moderator Groups: Member
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Joined: 8/24/2008 Posts: 5,201
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Darth Percocet wrote:i think that imyurhukaberry had the best idea w/ whoever likes a squad add it to a favorites squad listing, more favorites of one squad gets up there in the ratings. & if u keep the number rating system then basically what i said before u can try, when it first gets rated lets say a squad's first rating is a 10 cuz its usualy a normal rating at first before the 1's come in ok lets say its a 10 then the next rater of the squad only has the option of maybe 8 - 10 to just keep it sticky like that w/ the average. once more & more people start rating it ,if the ratings go down then the average lowers being able to only pick maybe 3 numbers below the average, as more people rate it depending it goes up or down keep the rating numbers close to the average. so u dont have a squad thats getting rated 9 through 10's & get rated a 1 & it drops sevearly. another I.E. basically if an average goes down to in the 7's then next rater can only rate in between a 5 & up.. its hard to explain it but i think its a good idea, u'll be promised never to drop so low with one rating that people will have a longer time to see ur squad, again hard to explain , ill explain it more if u have any questions.. thanx I'm sorry, that is terrible. Basically, the first person to rate it determines how others can rate it? Imposing how others should rate is a terrible thing. I think the new new squad stuff should alleviate any problems with a squad not beeing seen.
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 8/26/2008 Posts: 937 Location: Phiadelphia, PA
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might be a horrible idea, but theres really not much u can do with this problem, even better so make someone a rating master to give it the first rating, what shinja did with the top pt squads was brilliant yea, but it dont change the rating system, i think what i suggested isnt that bad of an idea, maybe not exactly how i put it but something simular. hey if u have better ideas post them thats what this thread is for. just adding my 2 cents..
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Rank: Advanced Bloo Milk Member Groups: Member
Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 1,122
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EmporerDragon wrote:Perhaps something similar to newgrounds: An overall ranking with a bunch of sub rankings (say Competitiveness, fun, theme, synergy, etc.). Users would have to leave a comment with their ranking, and vote-stuffing comments on both ends of the spectrum could be reported and removed.
The vote-stuffers themselves would get a warning about their actions, and if it continues, their rating privileges are suspended or removed. LOVE IT!!! Since our squads are really just on here for review and recommendations for improvement, additional sub-ratings would be tremendously helpful. It would ensure plenty of helpful comments as well as a general consensus on how good or bad a specific squad is. I am also hugely in favor of giving shinja the authority to bust Squad Rating Killers and shell accounts himself. The man has made an extremely good site: he certainly knows what he is doing. There is no perfect way to eliminate squad rating killers, and in any public ratings there will always be bias and ways to influence the polls or ratings. However, this is the best solution out of many I've seen to solve the squad rating killer issue: helping us all make our squads better while simultaneously thwarting the squad rating killers. Let's go with this.
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