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yes, but alter it in some other fashion
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no, only GOWK needs addressing
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I think GOWK is overrated. Don't get me wrong, he is a good, maybe great, peice. But we DON'T need to whine to WOTC how, 'GOWK hurt me, boo hoo'. Now they banned him. I played against a GOWK, earlier down to my MiThrawn, and a couple trooper. I won. Killed him. He is not so bad! Throw some missiles, or flamethrowers at him.
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Shadowdragon wrote:I think GOWK is overrated. Don't get me wrong, he is a good, maybe great, peice. But we DON'T need to whine to WOTC how, 'GOWK hurt me, boo hoo'. Now they banned him. I played against a GOWK, earlier down to my MiThrawn, and a couple trooper. I won. Killed him. He is not so bad! Throw some missiles, or flamethrowers at him. did mr. Soresu/Mettle/MoTF not make any saves? because thats the only why i could have seen him dying in that scenario. Thats the problem with GOWK, he is TOO GOOD, and he wasnt ready to be born in the world of Minis just yet. give him another year, where abilities start to get more evolved, and he might just make a comeback into the world of Competitiveness. *Disclaimer: Dont get yer hopes up though.*
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Just a note that hasnt been mentioned is that the new kenobi can still get MOTF2 with extraFP with Quigon poncho for just a 35 point follower with some punch
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dalsiandon wrote:Just a note that hasnt been mentioned is that the new kenobi can still get MOTF2 with extraFP with Quigon poncho for just a 35 point follower with some punch I mentioned it.
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dalsiandon wrote:Just a note that hasnt been mentioned is that the new kenobi can still get MOTF2 with extraFP with Quigon poncho for just a 35 point follower with some punch Even then he will not get Force Renewal which is the fourth leg of the GOWK "problem." Qui-gon may give the new Obi and influx of Force Points and MOTF2 but those can still be depleted and one could always go after Obi-Wan before taking out his master. Also take a look at the cost of getting that pair which is nearly twice that of GOWK.
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Qui-Gon Jinn JM-35 points
Obi JG-66.
101 points.
if anyone wants to spend 101 pts. to Make a HalfA$$ed GOWK with No OFF DA WALL CE, be my guest. GOWK shoulda cost that much anyway...(GMLS anyone?)
Mettle still wont be the factor either with Soresu (though it still blows dogs for quarters).
IF you want to make a new Dynamic Duo with Fett BH it would almost be useless, because Fett will not receive his CE (if anyone uses Fett right, you always use his mobile twin).
I always count on someone making a save, at 50-50 when it comes to it. the mettle reroll only makes it 60-40 etc., with the 2nd roll.
i would focus on hitting Obi with direct Damage, I.E, Lightning, repulse, push, flamethrower, blah blah blah.
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Without FR, the 5 FP will be used quickly.
I think SSM can stay the same on GOWK. Limit his FP to 5.
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engineer wrote:Without FR, the 5 FP will be used quickly.
I think SSM can stay the same on GOWK. Limit his FP to 5. i only see Obi's FPs being used for Soresu saves, which in turn will hand him mettle. by the third inish, he SHOULD (meaning *Hopefully*) be down to 2-3 FPs. IF, he hasnt "Anticipated". if thats the case, he will have 1-2 FPs left.
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I like the new Obi. I still want to see GOWK fixed. I like his CE a lot. Lots of folks think GM Yoda replaced that. Yes and no. Who are we supposed to Panaka swap Yoda with, an Uggie or Ewok? There is room for both versions if they fix GOWK. I think the Parry/Evade errata to SSM is a good idea. If it needs to go farther than that (card errata), I'm fine with that too. I must admit that FlObi is more fun to say than GOWK 
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swinefeld wrote:I like the new Obi. I still want to see GOWK fixed. I like his CE a lot. Lots of folks think GM Yoda replaced that. Yes and no. Who are we supposed to Panaka swap Yoda with, an Uggie or Ewok? There is room for both versions if they fix GOWK. I think the Parry/Evade errata to SSM is a good idea. If it needs to go farther than that (card errata), I'm fine with that too. I must admit that FlObi is more fun to say than GOWK Not a fan of a change to SSM anymore. ESPECIALLY to Parry/Evade. GOWK can have MotF2 removed and cost changed to 64-68 and he'd be alright I think.
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I've mentioned this before.
First, fix Mettle so that it DOES NOT STACK. Why is this the lone exception in the game to "no like stacking" rule?
Second, change SSM to twice per turn. That makes SSM very strong, but enemies with a high number of attacks (Triple, Double/Twin) can overwhelm him. Its balanced, conceptually accurate and an easy change to impliment.
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Honestly, I just wish that they made GOWK with his CE affecting "followers with Order 66" (they're the only characters in the Republic that NEED the CE to be competitive).
I think that change would fix him, and there wouldn't be a need to errata flObi (or further characters with SSM)...
Sure, he would still be hard to kill, but then you'd be limiting his support characters drastically (to the ones that need that kind of Commander Effect)
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Look you guys are missing the point. GOWK doesn't need to be taken out, he's fairly tame as compared to the Ewok on Hanglider. That piece needs to be errated right in the eye. So freaking cheap what with it's "swarm" and "attack all you pass through"
That piece is a beast and needs to be dealt with....NOW!
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swinefeld wrote:I like the new Obi. I still want to see GOWK fixed. I like his CE a lot. Lots of folks think GM Yoda replaced that. Yes and no. Who are we supposed to Panaka swap Yoda with, an Uggie or Ewok? There is room for both versions if they fix GOWK. I think the Parry/Evade errata to SSM is a good idea. If it needs to go farther than that (card errata), I'm fine with that too. I must admit that FlObi is more fun to say than GOWK Panaka is for Medium Based swapping, so i would try swapping out Rex, or Cad Bane when he comes out.
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:swinefeld wrote:I like the new Obi. I still want to see GOWK fixed. I like his CE a lot. Lots of folks think GM Yoda replaced that. Yes and no. Who are we supposed to Panaka swap Yoda with, an Uggie or Ewok? There is room for both versions if they fix GOWK. I think the Parry/Evade errata to SSM is a good idea. If it needs to go farther than that (card errata), I'm fine with that too. I must admit that FlObi is more fun to say than GOWK Panaka is for Medium Based swapping, so i would try swapping out Rex, or Cad Bane when he comes out. Well, my point was that using GM Yoda as a sub for GOWK's CE limits the possible builds, as he is not swappable. GOWK was a great swap fig with Rex, JWM, Yobuck, Boba, whoever. My wording was really hosed up 
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Gemini1179 wrote:swinefeld wrote:I like the new Obi. I still want to see GOWK fixed. I like his CE a lot. Lots of folks think GM Yoda replaced that. Yes and no. Who are we supposed to Panaka swap Yoda with, an Uggie or Ewok? There is room for both versions if they fix GOWK. I think the Parry/Evade errata to SSM is a good idea. If it needs to go farther than that (card errata), I'm fine with that too. I must admit that FlObi is more fun to say than GOWK Not a fan of a change to SSM anymore. ESPECIALLY to Parry/Evade. GOWK can have MotF2 removed and cost changed to 64-68 and he'd be alright I think. I think you are right about that, but I'm still bothered by the idea that a point-blank blaster bolt can be nerfed with a lightsaber, but we already have that in Deflect, so no difference there I guess...
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Mandalore Da Beast wrote:engineer wrote:Without FR, the 5 FP will be used quickly.
I think SSM can stay the same on GOWK. Limit his FP to 5. i only see Obi's FPs being used for Soresu saves, which in turn will hand him mettle. by the third inish, he SHOULD (meaning *Hopefully*) be down to 2-3 FPs. IF, he hasnt "Anticipated". if thats the case, he will have 1-2 FPs left. I don't know with the inclusion of surprise move that is huge and will burn up fps as well
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swinefeld wrote:Mandalore Da Beast wrote:swinefeld wrote:I like the new Obi. I still want to see GOWK fixed. I like his CE a lot. Lots of folks think GM Yoda replaced that. Yes and no. Who are we supposed to Panaka swap Yoda with, an Uggie or Ewok? There is room for both versions if they fix GOWK. I think the Parry/Evade errata to SSM is a good idea. If it needs to go farther than that (card errata), I'm fine with that too. I must admit that FlObi is more fun to say than GOWK Panaka is for Medium Based swapping, so i would try swapping out Rex, or Cad Bane when he comes out. Well, my point was that using GM Yoda as a sub for GOWK's CE limits the possible builds, as he is not swappable. GOWK was a great swap fig with Rex, JWM, Yobuck, Boba, whoever. My wording was really hosed up the possibilities would have been endless if Panaka swapped like Thrawn or Sidious. i would be scared to fight a swapped out GMY! 
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It's GOWK that needs to be revisited, not SSM itself. In my book.
I'd also increase his point cost, modify his CE to be Order 66 Followers, and drop MoTF2.
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