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Tirade
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:21:05 PM
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Mordantos wrote:
Jonnyb815 wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Yularen is a fine piece. One of the suds of this set, IMHO.

well i dont know what IMHO means.
In
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Yep, in my humble opinion. I'm not sure how you can view him as overcosted. That CE is golden. Comparing him to Thrawn is rather moot. The two are in totally different factions. Plus Yularen has more offensive pop than Thrawn. He's far more valuable, in my eyes, than most of the VRs from this set. I see lots of potential with Yularen (especially when paired with General Skywalker). Admittedly, I'm looking at the 200 game. I could care less about 150. Waaaaay too limiting.
ajw49ers
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I still don't know Jedi Master Kit Fisto's stats, any chance someone could post them?
owaller3
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:00:26 PM
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Jonnyb815 wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Yularen is a fine piece. One of the suds of this set, IMHO.

well i dont know what IMHO means. But can you please help me understad how Yularen is good. He feels overcosted. Most of the good pieces are fringe and look better with thrawn. The czerka AY rex repeater ideas are just too many points. overall I am not seeing how Yularen is even good.


I'm with you on that one. He should have cunning since republic rarely out activates any squad and the only figures he boosts are not worth playing in republic or they are glass cannons that get run over.
Tirade
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:02:59 PM
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owaller3 wrote:
Jonnyb815 wrote:
Tirade wrote:
Yularen is a fine piece. One of the suds of this set, IMHO.

well i dont know what IMHO means. But can you please help me understad how Yularen is good. He feels overcosted. Most of the good pieces are fringe and look better with thrawn. The czerka AY rex repeater ideas are just too many points. overall I am not seeing how Yularen is even good.


I'm with you on that one. He should have cunning since republic rarely out activates any squad and the only figures he boosts are not worth playing in republic or they are glass cannons that get run over.


What's wrong with a little strategy to pull off Opportunist? You don't need tempo control pieces like Ozzel or San to use Opportunist. If anything, I would think Yularen will promote good placement and activation strategies.

Also, which glass cannons are you referring to? The Repeating Blaster Clone? The 501st? I'm just curious. For 21 points, I think Yularen is costed just fine.
Jonnyb815
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:19:49 PM
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a lot of the good non fringe pieces have a really low atk. so you need a czerka with Gree/Jolee. the problem I am see with AY is that he costs 21 and the other support pieces cost in the 10-20 range. The cost just add up to too much tech not enough power how I am seeing it now. This might change when I get the minis in hand. I just think AY would of been better without its a trap and recon and cost 13-15. I have made a list of minis that i think would work. Two things happen the idea costs too much or its fringe making the idea better in the Empire with Thrawn. The Panaka/AY costs more and it without ozzel your ideas cost more most of the time since you have to add in atk bonuses without opp. In the Empire you dont have to do this. most of the time. handmaidens,Q.Assassins,boba merc,cad,cade, just cost too much. The same idea of Panaka/AY is with the Empire and costs less thats I keep saying it

now on to the minis i like with AY
Dannik jerriko
hondo with pirates lando HOT(idea still might be better in Empire)
Wookiee SC
Some kind of repeater squad with czeka
Clone bike barraca rex jolee dont know how ill work it with points but ill try
501st czerka obi might be cool but i really think the cost is too much
I like Anakin stap on paper just dont know what to pair him with
some wookiee sc with gree and cad could be fun
I like wwf czerka gree
Jawa sav gree could be fun with cad too.
I do like a handmaiden cannon squd with jolee or panaka.
Q.Assassin with a 11 atk with a czerka could be fun.
Tirade
Posted: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:38:15 PM
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Jonnyb815 wrote:
a lot of the good non fringe pieces have a really low atk. so you need a czerka with Gree/Jolee. the problem I am see with AY is that he costs 21 and the other support pieces cost in the 10-20 range. The cost just add up to too much tech not enough power how I am seeing it now. This might change when I get the minis in hand. I just think AY would of been better without its a trap and recon and cost 13-15. I have made a list of minis that i think would work. Two things happen the idea costs too much or its fringe making the idea better in the Empire with Thrawn. The Panaka/AY costs more and it without ozzel your ideas cost more most of the time since you have to add in atk bonuses without opp. In the Empire you dont have to do this. most of the time. handmaidens,Q.Assassins,boba merc,cad,cade, just cost too much. The same idea of Panaka/AY is with the Empire and costs less thats I keep saying it

now on to the minis i like with AY
Dannik jerriko
hondo with pirates lando HOT(idea still might be better in Empire)
Wookiee SC
Some kind of repeater squad with czeka
Clone bike barraca rex jolee dont know how ill work it with points but ill try
501st czerka obi might be cool but i really think the cost is too much
I like Anakin stap on paper just dont know what to pair him with
some wookiee sc with gree and cad could be fun
I like wwf czerka gree
Jawa sav gree could be fun with cad too.
I do like a handmaiden cannon squd with jolee or panaka.
Q.Assassin with a 11 atk with a czerka could be fun.


Of those, I was thinking of:

Repeater squad (no more than 3 repeaters) with Rex and General Skywalker
Clone Bike or Gelagrubs with General Skywalker
AniSTAP with Qui-Gon, JT, Senator Padme, Dark Woman and Panaka
Wookiee FFs with Gree, Czerka and new Ahsoka
Bacara with Sevs, ARFs, perhaps Aayla
Handmaidens with Jolee and new Obi-Wan (no more than 3 maidens) - low acts

Antarian Rangers also come to mind, just not sure how to work them into a squad idea yet.

I think those ideas alone make Yularen worth it. And just to make things clear, I'm looking at the 200 game. So we may be on different wavelengths.
JayJayY
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General Whorm Loathsom

70HP
Sithborg
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:21:46 AM
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LoboStele wrote:
Honestly, I'm more interested in things like Tyranus DLOTS getting Twin, or Boba Merc/Jango BH getting Double/Twin, or using the new Grievous SOTJ with Whurm to give Droids Extra and Twin. There's some fairly neat things you can do with him.


Yeah, I like the Dooku options. Dooku of Serrenno gets some much needed damage output and both him and Tyrannus get the awesome anti-melee combo of Twin/Riposte. With the new Obi, I think Serrenno might be a good option to bring back out.

And maybe it's just me, but I LOVE Tuuk. Gamechanging, no. Overpowered, no. But the fact that he seems to combine with San is awesome. It is actually better than Tarkin, in a lot of ways if it works how I am thinking. You can easily set him up for an end of round move with San, to get LOS. Then, if you win init, you can do a nasty 2 activations for your first phase. Granted, it is not the three that Tarkin allows, but I think people have forgotten how nasty 2 activations can be when you go first. Can't wait to see the ruling on him.

Also, as for Yularen being "meh": Really? Commandos and Antarian Rangers will be amazing. The Senate guys will be really nasty if Argyus works as rumored. Heck, all the fun options with Bacara is really cool. Bacara/Speeder/Yularen will hack some stuff up. Bacara/Yularen/Superstealth guys is also really cool, give those ARF/Elites/Commandos some much needed extra punch. Seriously, Sev at +13 for 40 Dam!!!! And Accurate.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:25:05 AM
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Mothma/Yularen will be interesting as well.

23 Clone Commander Bacara
23 Mon Mothma
21 Admiral Yularen
16 Queen Amidala
90 ARF Trooper x9
9 R2-D2, Astromech Droid
8 Mas Amedda
10 Caamasi Noble x2

(+12att 40dam on deathshot...and with super stealth to force adjacent)
Jonnyb815
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:28:55 AM
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
Mothma/Yularen will be interesting as well.

ok now I have a reason to play a troopers with Mothma and Yularen. sweet
Sinister
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 3:51:07 AM
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Captain Argyus
Cost: 29
HP: 70
Att: 10
Def: 19
Dmg: 20

SA:
Close Quater Fighting (+4 vs adjected)
Twin

CE:
Followers with Senate gain "Close Quater Fighting (+4 vs adjected)" and "Twin".

This is the information i got about him.

Edit: Forgot the Cost. Btw this info is from a german website.
LoboStele
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 4:02:44 AM
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Oh, wow, that's pretty sweet for Argyus. I like the CQF addition. Haven't seen that ability on a piece since the Dug Fringer (i think), and it's a nice fit here. That will really give the Senate Commandos a nasty boost. Heavy Weapon will still be a pain though, so I don't see them using both CQF and the Double/Twin all that often. Maybe with a good swap.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:11:01 AM
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huh...he is pretty nice. No Affinity for Seps I see...
Tirade
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:11:35 AM
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LoboStele wrote:
Oh, wow, that's pretty sweet for Argyus. I like the CQF addition. Haven't seen that ability on a piece since the Dug Fringer (i think), and it's a nice fit here. That will really give the Senate Commandos a nasty boost. Heavy Weapon will still be a pain though, so I don't see them using both CQF and the Double/Twin all that often. Maybe with a good swap.


Yep, it's all about the swap. Perhaps a squad with the Dark Woman as the setup swapper? Seriously, I like the potential of the Elite Guards. And the cost of Yularen and Argyus was about what I expected - 50 between the two.

And yes, the Senate Commandos become a rather intriguing option. Pity they don't have Order 66 :P.
swinefeld
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:15:06 AM
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
Mothma/Yularen will be interesting as well.

23 Clone Commander Bacara
23 Mon Mothma
21 Admiral Yularen
16 Queen Amidala
90 ARF Trooper x9
9 R2-D2, Astromech Droid
8 Mas Amedda
10 Caamasi Noble x2

(+12att 50dam on deathshot...and with super stealth to force adjacent)


Bacara and Mothma's +10 damage don't stack, so only(!) 40 on death shots from ARFs.

Great squad idea! All that SS Recon on the board... enemy SS would make for an interesting battle ThumpUp
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:21:40 AM
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Oops. Got ahead of myself there...
swinefeld
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:42:03 AM
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
Oops. Got ahead of myself there...


It's still a fine (and fun) squad idea BlooMilk

I love that it even works against strafe.

And if you hit any 20s on init... Sneaky
Plop an Elite Senate Guard between Mothma and Mas. He has a +50 deathblow.
Two more ARFs is good too.

I totally want to run this BigGrin
darth_waste
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Sinister wrote:
Captain Argyus
Cost: 29
HP: 70
Att: 10
Def: 19
Dmg: 20

SA:
Close Quarter Fighting (+4 againt adjacent)
Twin Attack

CE:
Followers with Senate gain "Close Quater Fighting (+4 againt adjacent)" and "Twin Attack".


Wow, I just love Argyus! I think he's actually my most-wanted VR. This is a really neat commander. Built a little like the new Anakin, but for 29 points and affecting different pieces. I just hope I pull him in my case...
Topher_Champion_Of_The_Force
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:12:03 AM
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i don't know if anybody's said this, but put argyus with
new ani, and the senate commando's can move, attack
twice at +17 for 30 against adjacent enemies, and unlike
the wookiees, the next turn, they'll be able to doulbe twin
at +13 for 20, if they didn't already kill the person they
attacked. throw in a weequay leader and then they get
mighty swing and can do up to 120 damage, that's deadly.
mercenary_moose
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I'm PUMPED over Yularen!
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