I think it leaves a good setup for episode 9.

Dang it. I was still talking to you. I keep forgetting your rules man. I will get better at this I promise. Thank you for accepting my apology! You have no idea the weight that has been lifted off my shoulders. You have actually revitalized my faith in a God. Ok, that was to far, I'm kidding, I still don't. But, Would you like to apologize also? You don't have to publicly, You can respond with a thumb up or thumbs down. Whichever you prefer. Unless you wouldn't prefer... I'm not sure how these things go really... Unless you didn't do anything wrong of course! Then I would not expect an apology. Now I am confused.. What do you think about it?

Doubtful imo, not in one movie.

As for Snoke, if there was someone else it will diminish and take away from Snoke so I really hope not.
Spoilers
But the lightsaber duels we re raw and powerful, were they not amazing?

My prediction is that it is set a few years in the future. Rey will have started a new order of sorts with a handful of force atunned individuals and Ren will have become the full fledge leader and be super Merciless. But a few years it give time for the resistance to grow and become more organized.

Ben will kill Leia in this movie. Poe becomes new general

Rey will eventually have to kill Ben but she will not be purely light side. she will be "walking the line".
my dream wish would be for them to be in a huge battle and Rey cuts the force from Ben Nomi Sunrider style!

And for some reason I feel Chewbacca dies, killing the new hope living characters off

Honestly, I hadn't thought about Chewie in 9 much at all, but this makes total sense since Leia has to die and he was charged in 5 to 'take care of her'. Good catch, Jenari.

Kylo Ren totally stole the whole show for me. Went from pretty meh in the first movie to a worthy villain. Unfortunately Hux was regulated to more of a joke character. Was hoping for more of a Tarkin/Thrawn and we got standard disney villain. Between unneeded Hux humor and the ending those were my two major gripes. Story was pretty packed too. But overall I really enjoyed the fact that I was unable to predict the movie and was genuinely surprised by it. As opposed to the enjoyable but predictable movies that were the rest of the entire series with the exception of Rouge One and Empire. TLJ really was a different type of movie but I stand by that I liked the movie as a whole. I get that many people don't but to be fair, what's a star wars movie without star wars fans hating it? (See Episodes 1, 2, 3, Force Awakens, and for some fans, parts of episode 6).

Could they have changed some things, toned down on the humor? Swapped some character's arcs/paths? Sure. But there is always things that every individual fan thinks the movie should be to them. Personally I would love to see Grievous come back and have a war of droids against the Vong! (maybe a SWM campaign some day eh? Anyone?) but I think I am close to alone in that want.

It's interesting that we hold Star Wars up to such a high perfect standard. You don't hear too much backlash against an underwhelming marvel entry or other film. And usually even then it's a passing moment. Some people still talk about how much they hate the prequels and how George ruined the OT with the special editions. But guys even the "worst star wars movie" is worlds better than most of the rubbish out here this days. a 0/10 movie is battlefield earth or that atrocious Channum Tating sci-fi monstrosity. Actually in retrospect you could probably rank the Ewok movies a 0/10 as well. What the heck is going on in those.

But hey there's new movies, new material for our game, and maybe new settings for future shows. Clone Wars and the Rebels show are my favourite things about Star Wars these days.

I have enjoyed the prequels, and sorely miss the legacy canon [I won't even bother reading the new books anymore as they can't hold a candle to the 100+ awesome Legacy books but I'm not going to sit and berate them, I just won't bother reading them] but so far I'm enjoying the roller coaster ride that's the movies.

Long live the Confederacy! Uhh I mean the Force and Star Wars and all that.

+100


RIP Vong, Solo Twins, Abeloth, and Krayt/Legacy

I said I liked the movie, so I don't know if you're talking to me or not.

The Legends books built up a detailed universe:
http://starwarsatlas.uw.hu/ver40_nagy.jpg

We lost all that for what, so far, is good but not as good as what was lost (imo).

Here is the thing.
The reason why the legends universe was so well liked was because there was so much of it.
Just wait.
When people get to read Grand master luke books or see grand master luke in a cartoon form they will forget about their feelings of how this Luke is not their Luke.
When people get to see Luke go through watching his nephew turn to the dark that will understand his plight a lot better.
They will see the failure in his face and the last Jedi will be understandable.

The only problem with the last Jedi is that there is no other time line to explain things.

For instance I have heard many people say "I just didn't connect with the girl who had people hair and her sacrifice meant little too me".
Well... When you learn that she was great friends with Leia her whole life and you learn about her her sacrifice becomes so special and awesome.

The last Jedi will be the best of the trilogy by far when the back stories catch up to the movie.

We are missing a few decades of time at the moment, rian Johnson did not have the time to fill us in.


Imo one of the biggest flaws of the movie is that finn needed screen time somehow....
Finn is the weakest part of the movies he does not deserve his own "arc".

J.J. Abrams left rian Johnson with a lot of mess to deal with.

These are Rey and Kylo movies.
Do we have time for Finn, maz kanata, Snoke, Captain phasma, hux, etc?
Looking at esb who was carried over from a new hope?
You had Han, Leia, Vader, Luke as main characters. And then you added Yoda and lando.
There was no one that had to come along for the ride.
Here we have Finn, Poe, Leia, Luke, Rey, kylo. U have hux, phasma, Chewbacca, bb-8 to take care of as well.
Than he added Rose, the admiral, and dj.


That is a whole heck of allot to deal with. I am so glad we lost the extra baggage and can focus on the important parts.
The only thing I was really hoping for was that Rose and Finn died.

But rey and Poe were thousands of times better in this film.

That's what's so disappointing. Those decades could have easily been there. Anything that was particularly troubling could have been jettisoned without killing the whole history. In fact, that's sort of what I expected when they said that Legends may still be drawn upon. They could have one by one brought back in certain stories. I fully expected the Zahn trilogy to come back immediately, for the Vong to never come back, and for most of the stuff in between to be left up in the air. Then you still have Mara, Thrawn, and the twins in the story. Probably keep Mara alive, definitely keep Chewie alive. And you have a good sense of those decades in between.

As is, now we know the ending and there's plenty to fill in from Episode 6 to 7. We'll see how it goes. Prequels don't have the best track record in Star Wars.

Caedus is poorly written, as is Jaina. The whole storyline was broken and fused and just not well done. Even Ben Skywalker was cool, but it had no true holding power. Jacen becoming one with the force.... Anakin Solo being absurdly powerful and having to be killed off...
So many things that are not great for film imo.
Jaina training with Boba Fett....
I would hate to see that on film. I would hate to see Jaina period.

But I do love Mara Jade but even she was killed.... by a dart...
how lame would that be?
I just think the universe got too big, it was better to clean slate it and start over. Will it take a long time? sure it will! will it suck until than, you bet. will we always compare? yep.

But if we are thinking about it realistically.
How can we put Krayt onto film?
the man died came back died came back, etc.
Than you have to deal with all these characters
Wolf, Shado, Cade, Dariah, Jariah, Deliah, Talon, Nihl, Maladi, Wyyyrlok, Stryfe, Azlyn, Draco, krayt, Ganner Krieg, Celeste, Roan Fel, Marasiah Fel, etc
the list goes on and on.

those books are also a mess. It is better to restart with a clear focus.

In about 5 years people will forget Legends and be super into the new canon is my guarantee. Focus and simplicity is key. With less hands on things (i hope it remains this way) it will be more consistent and fun.
I cannot wait for what Rian Johnson can do with his own trilogy.
The detail and study he put into his work is unquestionable.
I saw a link somewhere that showed a picture of Luke's robot hand and it still had damage from return of the jedi, which is awesome.