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imyurhukaberry
Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2021 11:37:01 AM
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Getting back to numbers...
Tim...I think we are saying the same exact thing just with different numbers. (Sort of)

FOUR point system
4pts = Full win (200+ pts)
3pts = high score partial win (125-199pts)
2pts = low score partial win (<125pts)
1pt = high score loss (100+ pts)
0pts = low score loss (<100pts)

Defeated Points system
Defeated points per game...winner gets 200 pts extra
This would be more like a 4-2-1-0 system, where each point is roughly equal to 100 defeated pts.
You just add one more tier.

The main difference between the two is your tiered system NEVER allows a loss in one game to be higher than a win in another game.
Where as by straight points, a loss in one game CAN be higher than a win in another game. Which sounds perfect right?

However, does that encourage or reward engagement as much as straight points? Why should the loss in a game that goes 200-185 be treated less than a win in a game that goes 35-15?
How much emphasis should be put on just winning? Versus scoring points?
TimmerB123
Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2021 12:02:07 PM
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imyurhukaberry wrote:

The main difference between the two is your tiered system NEVER allows a loss in one game to be higher than a win in another game.
Where as by straight points, a loss in one game CAN be higher than a win in another game. Which sounds perfect right?


Yeah I definitely think that when we are talking about a single game, a win should always be more than a loss.

I think having a simple tier system is best, and most likely be accepted by the community. I've learned that anything that looks complex, has a VERY hard hill to climb to be adopted in the community.


This is why I think simple 5-3-1 is best. Literally nothing in our system needs to change expect a 2 is now a 3, and a 3 is now a 5.

This will cover a lot of other issues as well. Same record but one has less finished games and one has more? The one with more finished games will be ahead in all but the most extreme situations.

It doesn't take away motivation for 1pt losses, it's still very important. But it does RAISE the motivation to finish games, and prizes wins in a finished game above all, and makes it more difficult to get under 200pt wins and simply "make up for it" with a 1pt loss.


A straight points scored system leaves possibility for WILD swings. In theory, a player could finish first and only win a single game. That is far too extreme.



So, yes - there are some similarities in our methods, and I think some of our views certainly align. However I think we will have a hard enough road getting a more sensible system in place at all, and we'll only really have a shot if it is very simple and requires very little change.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2021 12:18:54 PM
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5 pts for win scoring 200+
3pts for win (up to 199 pts)
1pt for loss scoring 100+
Correct?
TimmerB123
Posted: Saturday, February 13, 2021 9:55:23 PM
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
5 pts for win scoring 200+
3pts for win (up to 199 pts)
1pt for loss scoring 100+
Correct?

Yes.
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