Personally I think its a good thing that droids are getting more powerful. I was getting tired of rebels and republic winning every game. The Seps don't have many options outside of droids, so making droids more powerful is the only way to bring balance to the game. What LandShark is saying about shooters (particularly droids) being overpowered is accurate, but I think necessary. And Boba Fett Bounty Hunter has been around forever and that piece of plastic still pisses me off! Lol!

i see your point but honestly is it worth the effort to say all this (and yea i know its just typeing but serisuly its not even worth that effort...) can you plz take this to pms i dont realy like checking a topic with a bunch of new post to find out its just more fights...

and im not aiming this at you billy just in genrel urs was just the last post so easyest to push quote on lol

What happened to the First Amendment?

Not every post has to have a positive spin on it. If someone wants to post they are quitting a game, for whatever reason, then by all means. I see no problem with it. Its a open forum for a reason. However, I would hope people in this community would offer positive suggestions on why to keep playing or how to have fun with the newer sets. Help the player understand where the game is going and why it's going that way. If they don't agree, that's their right and they can stick to their original opinion/thought.

I will agree with one point made: facts to support your statements. When stating something as a fact, you should always follow it up with supporting proof. Otherwise it's just an opinion or rumor and should be stated as such.

I don't much care to get involved in the "how we should post" part of the discussion beyond the point of saying....we all need to be careful about what we post, and how we post it. Don't hide behind the anonymity of the keyboard. As Bill said, take responsibility for your posts. Have facts to back up the statements you make.

I just wanted to address one thing stated earlier in the thread.

Shado Vao only equals 3 IG-86's, not 4. And if you do Shado straight up against 3 IG-86's, he's actually stand a somewhat decent chance. The IG's need 9's to hit him at any point in time, 13's if he can manage to keep in cover while approaching. Then he's still got Deflect to help keep him alive. Plus, Shado has enough hit points to withstand 4-5 shots (depending on Opportunist). If the Droids aren't back up by Grievous, it really isn't that much of a challenge.

Now...if you want to start talking about IG-86's pumped up by Greivous...well, now you're talking squads. For the cost of Grievous and one IG-86, you could run both Shado and Leia Skywalker JK. Now, Shado gets double-rerolls against the IG's shots when he uses Deflect. And with only 1 IG-86, you just play carefully, advancing Shado behind walls and such, until you're at a point where you can pounce on the IG-86. A well played game should see Shado take no more than 2 hits from an IG-86 in that kind of match up.

Now, expand that to a full squad of Greivous and several IG-86's, a Battle Droid Officer, etc....Well, if you insist on playing NR, then you have plenty of great options. Han GH can kill an IG-86 in two shots with Cunning and decent rolls. Mara Jedi can sit in cover at a distance and never be hit. GMLS can do a pretty decent number on IG-86's. Dodonna is immensely helpful in that kind of matchup to try and keep the IG's from getting Opportunist. Shado still works great here. Heck, Kyle JBM with Wedge and a Twi'lek Black Sun Vigo can be awesome as well, since Kyle can kill an IG with Greater Mobile + Tripple from 8 squares out AND take away Grievous' CE at the same time.

There's plenty of ways to work around the shooters. Yes, the game is slightly skewed in favor of shooters, and a lot of that has to do with maps right now too. But I really don't think it's as bad as you make it sound. We had people in our play group consistently playing droids for a while, and it got frustrating. It just takes finding the right counter to consistently beat their droids, and they'll start trying other things.

Aaron....you are a voice of reason.......

Mixed messages

it is a mixed message. youre right.
im still stating the obvious though.

Mandalore, honestly, YOU are the only one being rude with your responses and direct attacks on dnemiller and billiv15. Neither of them have resorted to the personal attacks that you've used throughout your posts to them the past couple days.

LandSharks' initially posts had quite a few un-truths in them regarding the DCI game and such. There's no need to announce that you are quitting the game. That just casts a negative vibe on things. If a fairly new player happened to read the thread, they might see people quitting and then think "Oh, well, maybe this isn't such a good game to get into." I don't think any of us want that to happen.

By it's very nature, the OP had a negative undertone. Some of the rest of us have just tried to chime in and say "Hey, it's not that bad!" and give our reasons why, and try to encourage people like LandShark to not give up so easily, and not be so negative about the DCI side of the game.

Again, you guys are all entitled to post what you like following general conventions of morally acceptable terms. But this seems to turn more into a flame war. That I disapprove of. If you guys have a vendetta for each other (which it looks like to me at least) that's fine. Just don't bring it into every thread, it's distracting. If you are arguing about differences of opinion on the topic, that's fine as long as it's reasonably put. But this eluding to different statements that are off topic and occuring in different threads is counter-productive. I ask strongly that if this sort of discussion is greatly desired to be discussed, do so in the BM system between yourselves. This means, if someone says something as a part of this seemingly growing disagreement, don't post back in the thread, BM them and talk about it respectfully. What seems to be going on is alot of misinterpreting of posts and contradictions.

ON TOPIC, I'm always sad to see someone leave DCI or SWM, but that is totally your choice. I would recommend sticking with it as it changes from set to set. But it's not like you cannot come back after leaving when you like the Meta more.

Well Landshark I just dont see the point of this thread. You made the same thing on gamers but your still around. The game has hit a bump we all know that. Just quit or stay with the game there is no need for threads like this.

Bane only has a 10 atk with 80 Hp. Rex and Dash are support shooters that can be taken down fast in a 200 game. The 150 game is ruled by rebels so im not goign to get into 150. Rex was great for republic they finally got that non fringe shooter that they needed for the longest time. Dash needs about 10-55 points just to boost his atk. Bane is not a support shooter at 54 points. Rex and Dash should miss about half the time vs the big Jedi beats. Bane will hit the big beats but miss the filler. I think thats how it should be. Rex and dash were about getting the support guys. Bane is about going for the Jedi and for his cost it works out. The TBSV might be a little under costed but they only have 40 hp. Outside of SSM,Rieekan I am ok with how the game is coming a long. The game is becoming more luck based but the damage out has increased a lot for the last year too. I think the idea was to increase the damage to crazy levels and give some of the other factions defense from all the attacks well that has back fired. I think Peter will try really hard to change the game back to were it was around LOTF and KOTOR I hope. So by saying GMA has killed the game that is not true. SSM and evade are what have made the game so stale right now.

Why are you guys out to get Bill? Some times Bill goes a little too far but most of the time Bill is just telling the truth/true opinion. The internet is opinion based most of the time and its hard to read tone and feels. But attacking someone and not making a point does not make sense to me. Maybe its because I know Bill in real life so I understand where he is coming from and so on.