After the last 4 sets, I am done playing Star Wars Minis competitivley. In my opinion SWM has taken a turn for the worst. The new normal for a shooter is 120dmg from across the map, yet the normal for a Jedi is still roughly 40dmg (which requires being adjacent). As a die hard Star Wars fan, I have a serious problem with droids/clones being more powerful than Jedi. It's obsurd. Every shooter just about has Double Twin with either and extra attack, or extra damage. Im really down on the game right now so I wont be playing competitivley anytime soon. That might explain why I havent been on Vassal for almost a month now. My friends and I have been playing pre- Clone Wars games. Man I miss the way the game used to be *sighs*

Darth Bane can do 200 damage in one turn...given certain, conditions.

But anyway, While you are right, the biggest shooters these days are double-twin-Greater Mobile Attackers,
most Jedi these days have a way of avoiding it. Anything from Evade to deflect, or just a really high defense. So don't get bummed out when you see a shooter who has a potential of a lot of damage, because just think, there's a Jedi somewhere who can get around it. Is there really anyone else who can?

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That only worked because the Jedi were being very arrogant and they completely blinded themselves to an attack from the republic.

And you forget that the Emperor/Sidious was one of the most powerful sith lords to have ever lived.

I do agree with LandShark in a sense that some of the cheap non-unique shooters have become way to powerful. It seems to me that more and more Beat Sticks are just becoming Commanders to beef up your shooters and that if your Beat does not have a CE hes a waste of points. Take Darth Bane for example; at 200 HP he is a pretty formidable piece, but he costs 82 points of your squad and does not have a CE, he only has a 20 defense so if you can boost a shooter to even a +12 or +14 you can take him down with a few activations. To me thats absurd.

Landshark has a valid point, but there is always a team to counter shooters, if you go up against shooters, then don't run a team of jedi. Fight fire with fire and run a shooter team yourself, and while the shooters may do extraordinary amounts of damage, they usually are lacking in health.

Landshark, don't quit, but hold out for better times or... Dark Times. And dnemiller is right, why does everyone announce their departure from the game like it will have a massive emotional impact on everyone else?

I think some of you misread LandShark's original post. He never said that he was going to stop playing SWM. He said he was going to stop playing competitively. Here let me point it out for you:



And LandShark, If you ever want to play a friendly game on Vassal with rules like restricting which sets can be used. Feel free to PM me.

Thanks for the support guys. I appreciate it. Dont forget I am quitting DCI, not the entire game. I just dont like the meta-game anymore.

I think a few things are being ignored here though. The game is awefully imbalanced, and that is a fact. Lets look at a few specific examples.

IG-86 Assassin Droid X4 = Shado Vao
Commando Droid X7 = GMLS
HK Droid X3 = Darth Krayt

At first glance that looks about right, but when you add in the factors it becomes a problem. With only 1 CE, a single IG Assassin Droid does the same amount of damage as Shado Vao's max, only the droid doesn't need to spend 2 fps to do extra damage. The droid also has the same Defense, and a higher attack for 1/4 the cost of Shado Vao, and doesnt need to be adjacent to attack.

Now if you play against good players (like I do) then you'd expect to get runned and gunned the entire game. You'd be lucky to gain 48pts worth of droids with Shado Vao, even if Wedge is backing him up. Lets throw in a Czerka Scientist too cause I know how the top dogs love to use them. Now jolt is in the mix and blah blah blah.

I could go on and on about specific examples just like the above ones, but i'm sure you already get the point. Droids should not be that much better than Jedi Masters. This puts a bad perspective on Star Wars in my opinion. Jedi should be up to the task of challenging droids and villians.

My point is I should be complaining about how powerfull Jedi are, not droids. It's rediculious. If this game is to be saved, someone needs to advance melee combat as aggressivley as ranged combat as been advanced.

Jedi dont do but 40 damage per turn? Ever heard of mara jade, JEDI? try 120 damage per turn. And hey i hear you with the last few sets, it does seem like every team i played in tourneys had reikan and dodonna in it. You dont hear me complaining about it, i still run mandos and vong and imperials with big beat stick jedi and win all the time.

If your going to quit just DO IT, but dont do it after hating on the game we all love.

I think each set has a few pieces that make you say "wow". In this set there really isn't alot in it that jumps out at me except the roger roger ability. Cad Bane is nice but I still don't think he is the best shooter based on the points. Capt Rex and the new Dash are still tops in my book. Even the old Solo smuggler is a nice piece still.

It's the synergies that are developed as new pieces are brought in. MTG fixes that by dropping sets out of DCI play as time marches on. Personally I like it that every piece is still in play from the beginning. Otherwise people would be forced to keep buying the new stuff just to play DCI. You can play your old stuff and still compete in DCI. Plus there are so many combos out there that each time we get a new set tons of great squads emerge or old ones get better.

As was said there are some nice melee pieces. I still think Mara Jade, jedi is awesome. Most of the squads I see in competition have a good mix of shooters/melee. It's all about synergy.

How was that for a nice ramble

Keep it real shark, just play and have fun. It seems like a slippery slope; you either have super shooters like we do now or you revamp Jedi and you get GOWKs. We all know what happened to GOWK.

I think everyone gets so worked up because its a little piece of our own SW universe to play with. All that considered DCI, in order to make tournaments fair and balanced, has to apply rules and conditions. Who wants rules and conditions on their childhood dreams?

Just have fun, enjoy the game. House rules games are better anyway. missiles go around corners!