If only we had a plan to make pilots good......

Sigh... From the Glossary, found right here on bloomilk... "A Pilot is any character with the word “Pilot” in its name or that has the Pilot special ability."

There is no difference between those two CEs.

And pointing out that there are 3 CEs that affect pilot's is pretty silly, considering that was one of the reasons we made that the theme of this set.... Relax people, there are multiple interactions for "pilots" as the game defines them coming out. I really don't believe that hasn't been made clear by now...

Incorrect.
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75862/19461498/Oddballs_CE?post_id=331112986#331112986

The thing is, Pilot/Trooper is different than Droid/Mercenary/Bounty Hunter, becase the special abilities for Droid, Mercenary, and Bounty Hunter actually do something, rather than being a trait that other effects reference. Which is why there was a problem when Xizor was released.

Pilot in the name is the same has having Pilot.

While I accept that you guys certainly know what you're doing, and the thread Sithborg points to seems to clear it up (although in a way that makes my head hurt to read, this glossary definition actual doesn't clarify everything.

It defines a "Pilot" (which would apply to "Pilot allies") as having two sub-sets (those whose name contains "Pilot" and those who have the special ability "Pilot").

It does NOT explicitly state, however, that a character with the Pilot special ability should be considered to be a character whose name contains Pilot (one of the two subsets noted above). It's basically the "All Nazis are German, but not all Germans are Nazis" logic argument.

I apologize for providing misleading information, but definition as stated is incomplete and I didn't realize I would have to trek to the WotC forums for the full answer! :)

Based on the incomplete answer, especially when I saw that the V-Set was using two different phrasings, I think I moved to a logical (if admittedly incorrect) conclusion.



As a point of curiosity, why are they phrased differently?



Settle down, Beavis. Pointing out that there are currently 3 Ces for pilots wasn't a judgement. It was a statement of fact. No need to read anything into it.

Sigh... Paranoid much? :P

Ack! Yeah, that's right.

I really should have read the actual wording on the card instead of the wording in a thread about the piece. I think I was looking at a pre-QC version. Sorry guys!

Nope, you read it correctly. All the errors were my fault, but I couldn't fact-check until the download was available.

No, because the definition for Trooper actually defines the significance of the special ability (whereas the definition for the Pilot special abilitiy offers the signicance of a Pilot CHARACTER). The "definition" is logically flawed on at least two points... all of which is ultimately irrelevant because the game play significance is understood.

On to other stuff...



KC?

there is a difference to an ally and a follower, those are fairly different meanings in the CE in that sense anyway. OK, so now ball busting aside...

Since you are moving the game forward and have full control, why not standardize how some commander effects are written? Especially the similar sounding ones.

If the phrases "Pilot allies gain" and " Allies with Pilot" have the same meaning why not have just stick with one wording instead of using both?

In the terms of defining a CE for followers vs. allies though that would be the same thing really, just choosing the phrasing you care for and going with either "Pilot followers gain" or "Followers with Pilot" whichever oen matches up to the "Allies" version.

I just don't understand the inconsistency in formatting.

Understandably, the Oddball change in wording is odd, and it shouldn't be the preferred wording. It was something probably overlooked. Doesn't change it still works the same.

Just finished listening. The CFP was the officially spoiled piece. There are a few references to the Klatooinian Captain implying that he does indeed have a commander effect (or special ability?) geared toward pilots.