Oh, and they get double attack too. I keep forgetting that. Lol

Greg and I played 2 squads this morning against it. He ran the Vong with blast bug both games. He wiped me out in game one in my Jedi heavy squad with GMA. It didn't matter at all and he tore the jedi up.

Game 2, his same squad and I played a Panaka swapping 2 clone troopers on speeders doing 40 with Yoda's +3 +3 with opportunist and Bacara. It was a LOT of work to kill all his 10 point beasts and I still had one to kill at games end. He still had all his commanders coming to fight and then it would have been almost dead GM Yoda against them...no chance. As it was he still had a 10 point piece in the fight.

Really sad I remarked that a Grandmaster Jedi can't handle a 10 point scrub and has to work like a dog to even do any damage to one. Totally ridiculous squad.

Maybe two save rolls of 11 or higher for -10 dmg. each time (like shields) is the way to go. Maybe even re-cost those pieces to 15 (10 is WAAAAY to few, they do a hell of a lot of stuff).

Nice, even better. So Thrawn can't swap Uggernaught's?

The difference is the Republic player can bring Tarpals and have now 40 splash group area damage that cannot be prevented as well as potentially stealth and definitely mobile attack and -1 cost from padme.

It is obvious that the Blast Bug squad is in the same vein as the death shot Bespin Guards or Rep. Pilots with Twin. The way they work is obviously different but the effect is the same...making low-cost pieces do massive damage. Really, the Daala squads that first launched had the same effect. In both of the latter two examples, they needed Erratas to fix the ability to abuse...Daala changes and no more Twin CE.

In any Gungan squad I've ever played (and I've played a LOT of them,) the overwhelming destruction of the opponent was never so clear-cut. They could not..move 16 squares and attack with massive damage..or Cesta. Matter of fact, this is obviously why they are different. The Gungans are used only for the Cestas and they are: (1) lousy attackers, (2) low HP 30 (to 40 for Vong), (3) no way to reduce damage like the Vong (with the Vong being able to reduce with a 7 roll no less), and (4) the only way to reduce their cost to 10 from 11 is to add a 35 point piece (albeit with reinforcements,).

+1
Gungans are a good example and probably on par with Flametroopers against low act tanks, but not an auto-loss.

You also reminded me of another point, Quorreal bringing in key pieces like Warrior Caste Subcommander with Aggressive Negotiations. Unlike other squads, you can't just kill the commander to shut them down. Warriors may also be brought in that way to Blast Bug while never losing Aggressive Negotiations.

It's just a simple matter of recosting a few characters to make things a little more balanced.

I've never actually played with or against Domain Lah with Blast Bugs, it's always been the Cloaked Praetorite Vong Scouts in New Zealand. It's probably a meta thing - we're pretty infamous for having less strafe and gallop around, so the Cloaked is maybe more effective in our meta.

I remember have a conversation with some of the top NZ players when the Domain Lah Warriors and the guy who gives them Evade came out, asking if they'd switch to using Domain Lah Blastbug swarms, but they still thought the Scouts were better at that point. That was before the guy who gives them saves on a 7 was released though, maybe he tips the balance further towards the Lah Warriors.

I still think the Subcommander is the biggest issue. Praetorite Vong Scouts with the Subcommander are incredibly tough too. They just have a few more counters, as they're weak against strafe and gallop, and to Momaw's War Throat, but they still dominate rock squads. Forward Positioning on them is also quite significant, as they can spread out around gambit and destroy anything that moves in there.

The Lah builds that can bring in a Subcommander with Quorreal as required are also a big issue - feels like having your cake and eating it too. It's certainly unusual to be able to change the entire focus of your squad through one reinforcement.

Lah Warriors are definitely undercosted, but I don't mind them too much when they just attack.

What beats Lah squads like Joe's? Strafe? Deepstrike and kill the Subcommander? Outswarming them?

Feels like Yobuck would take a lot of damage for not much in return against them.

Yes, I agree that a high act swarm with unpreventable damage encourages a high activation and tech heavy meta, which is what we want to get away from.

Jaq played a squad at Frosty he said he had used to beat Joe's vong. But they didn't play each other at Frosty. A 38 activation Rodian Brute swarm with Iltorian Commander, Princess Leia HC, and charging Han. Zombie Rodian Squad...Not sure it would work for everyone, Jaq can roll >16 like a newborn finds a teet.

after reading all this...........I think we should take any designer that let the Lah warrior get released with 10 cost,
and ban them from design and tell their parents what they have done (and maybe put a baby nexu in their underware )