However, I don't think Marn himself was the contributing factor in any of the squads. It could be argued he was instrumental at Frosty (but that was more because I was still using the outmoded Adi Gallia instead of the updated version of Cin/Serra with Quin) and I still think Cin/Serra can beat Vong without MArn. In chicago, Marn was mostly useless. I did play Brian and his Vong, but it certainly wasn't Marn that did it, it was the squad. My squad would have been better without Marn in that matchup. In IN, con artist was probably more useful than at other regionals, but again, the fact that Yobuck can go and do tons of damage was much more the deciding factor than Marn was. At WI, Marn was 100% useless.

IMO, I don't think it's fair to compare Bastila to Marn. Bastila at 33 points still costs more ( yes by only 2pts ) than Marn and his 10pt co-conspirators. Also Distraction and Disruption can mitigate the sting of Bastila, while neither of those affect Marn and Friends in the slightest. Also timing and limitations also affect Bastila, IE Force Points and Timing for ABM. I can set up my attack and "delay" Bastila's effectiveness. Marn and his cohorts have no such restrictions. Something in Marn's make-up is broken, once again, IMO.

Maybe cost 25 and Rapport -2 for Zayne and Jarael? Not a huge difference, but the extra four points will at least help. I haven't played with/against him yet, and he's kind of an abstract piece for me to pick a side without having played him.

I believe this was stated earlier in this thread, but I believe that the only issue with Marn is the fact that Bribery gives Con Artist to the living characters brought in. That's the issue here, I think. If we change that to something still good but not that good, like Stealth or something (That's obviously not the only option but you get my point here), then Marn is fine for his cost. It's just the fact that having 4 total activations with an enemy commander effect is to much. If we JUST have Marn taking one force point per round from Palpatine, that's fine. If it's JUST Marn that can Blast Bug back against a Blast Bug swarm, then it's fine. But when Palpatine is losing 4 Force Points a round, it's NOT fine, because it really doesn't make any sense for a 21 point piece to essentially cripple a 100 point piece or any other Force battery out there. Same goes with 4 Blast Buggers. I just don't think it should be possible to allow Emperor Palpatine, Sith Mastermind to basically be defeated by a black marketeer and 3 Ugnaughts for 1/5th of his cost.


EDIT: While changing him to focus on Jarael and Zayne is a good idea, I don't think there's any change that should be made that doesn't involve the wording of Bribery. The ability it gives out definitely needs to be changed IMO, even for 25 points that's way to strong. That's just me.

I generally like Marn, but the interaction with 100 point Palpatine is unfortunate. At the same time, I like how he's keeping Blast Bug in check. He lost a lot of power last year with not being able to be played with Lobot.

In any case, it's too late to make changes before GenCon, right? So we should see what data we get from GenCon?

I thought that since the Avoid Defeat was granted at the start of the skirmish after setup and lasted for the rest of the game, that it can't be disrupted. That is the way i heard it described to me anyways.

Not sure who all is changing their squad because of him. Can't imagine that many people were going to play one of the emperor batteries (and not entirely convinced that Marn beats that outright anyway), and I know that Marn doesn't beat the vong by himself. You can either handle the vong or you can't Marn isn't going to change a loss into a win against the Vong.

It doesn't. I played against two with Marn in IN, and split. If you can't get damage past the party, you still lose.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but --if having three 10-hp pieces use one CE hurts your squad that much, build with Momaw. Problem solved.

I know, I know, that's still changing your build because of one piece. But as J said, there are plenty of pieces that can require that.

He definitely mattered in our matchups in Indiana. Jason brought in 3 Rodians both games and they stole blast bug and suddenly he could deal damage that is never dealt any other way (3 point rodians...automatic 20dmg) and if I had to kill them, he would save the damage from other pieces and even more longevity ensued. Most often you would ignore 3 Rodians unless trying to get activations equalized but in this case you had to go after them.