and yes, I would love to see an Imperial Luke as the Cloned Emperor's Apprentice.
I would also love to see an Imperial Cadet Han.


In my first post, I was just pointing out that we have a number of Rebel Luke's, and Imperial Vader's.

I think WOTC did a great job of covering all of the Luke's in the Rebel Era, and even went above and beyond with Champion of The Force Luke Skywalker. I don't see the point in more Rebel Lukes. I do however see the need for a more playable NR Luke Skywalker. In my opinion if the guys behind the VSet wanted to include a Luke why not NR? Why not a Fringe Exiled Luke Skywalker from the Fate of the Jedi series. An Imperial Luke Skywalker of the Dark Empire comic series. And the same goes with Darth Vader. He was a Sith so why not a Sith Vader instead of another Imperial. We already have Lord Vader, Legacy Vader, Scourge Vader.

It's not so much that I'm disappointed that we are getting another Luke/Vader. I'm just disappointed in their factions. However I'm hopeful that like with the first V-Set I'm blown away by these new additions to the factions.

I can think of a reason to release new Luke's and Vader's. That would be current Luke's and Vader's becoming outdated. Which they haven't been. Lord Vader is still one of the baddest pieces in the game. As is Legacy Vader, and Scourge. Same story with Luke. You have Rebel Commando, Hoth Pilot, Champion of The Force. So yeah if these two characters had become outdated then yeah I would be all for a new Luke/Vader, but they haven't.

If you can tell me another reason they should release another Luke and Vader. Please share. That's why I brought this up in the first place. I'd like to understand the reasoning behind the decision.

I was just disappointed in another Luke/Vader when there are so many characters that haven't made it into the game yet.



I think you are over thinking the whole sith faction thing. It's pretty simple. Dooku was Sidious Sith Apprentice, just like Maul. He should have a Sith piece as well. He should be able to be included in the Sith Faction. I just don't understand why he shouldn't be included when his allegiance was to the Sith.

Ok, I get where you are coming from on the Sith thing.

But, we have Darth Maul sith piece. He never fought along side Sith Troopers, nor did Darth Caedus. So if we have a Maul who fought along side Droids against Jedi, and if we have Caedus who you said you don't agree with but we do have him, then we should have a Vader sith piece.

I'd love to be able to run a Darth Vader along with Darth Bane. That would be amazing.

Well i too am a little disappointed to see another Luke & Vader, but as i have said before you can't please every one.

At the end of the day you just have to let the designers have a free hand in what characters they do, A lot if not all were asked for and that unfortunately from my point of view includes more Luke's and more Vaders Both were asked for (please remember that). True they could be in NR and Sith respectively but if the designers feel that this is not how they want to do these particular characters well as i said they have to have the freedom to do what they want. Do I think Vader could be sith faction? Hell yes, but as i said that's the designers call.
Vset 1 was a great success and i am sure that Vset 2 will be as well. OK did i like every character in set 1? No and there will be the odd one in set 2 as well, but the thing is everyone's likes and dislikes is going to be different.

OK the point has been raised about Luke and Vader, and i think that this subject has been answered, the answer might not be the one some of you were looking for, but as the thread starter I am asking that this particular issue be dropped.

Let the designer have a free hand to do what they are doing, and just be grateful that set 1 was such a success and that we are getting a set 2.
Dread

Vader fell to the Darkside tricked by the Sith Master Darth Sidious into thinking that the Sith way/Darkside could save his wife, similar to the Exar Kun who was tricked by the Spirit of the Sith Master Freedon Nadd into think the Sith way/Darkside could save his life.

Bottom line if Kota/Shaaki are rebulic/rebel and are jedi there is no valid reason along the lines of faction classification why Vader should not have a Sith version but plenty valid reason why he does have many Imperial incarnations.

I know this could go back and forth forever but I'm really not sure a new imp vader is what we need.....
That said the work done on the last set was amazingly intelligent and thoughtful towards each facion represented so I'll wait to be impressed.

Sorry Dread I'll zip it now.

Whoa. Quite a discussion right there.

Well, I think that creating Sith Vader would be a ridicules idea. Why? I tell You why. Vader is Sith in OT and EP3 only this way that Sith=>Imperial. Notice that it only goes one way. Not the other. So yeah, he is a Sith but only to be in Imperial fraction. And not all (well only 2:) ) Imperials were Sith. You get my point?

WotC already screwed Maul to be in Sith Fraction- i mean come on! I know that in comics "Darth Maul" he's slaughtering everyone, but is he doing it for Sith or the Seppies in that point? (yeah he have a DM, Champion of the Force who is Seppie, but what about Sith Apprentice?).
In prequels being Sith meant being Seppie. Sith=>Seppie. Same logic as for Sith=>Imperial.
So plz don't EVER create Sith Dooku, Vader or other crazy variations of those.

I know why everyone wants Sith Vader, it's because of Fringe Han. Personally, i really liked him. But it opens door for Sith Vaders i'm afraid.
However it also alows to create Imperial Luke, which I've been waiting from the moment I started to play minis (come on make Imp Luke!! oh yeah and Palps Reborn/Clone. They deserve it!!) Going this path we could see in future Fringe Luke( well why not? before epIV he wanted to join Imp academy), Fringe Chewie (yup!! would go well with Fringe Han), Imp Han, Imp Kyle and many, MANY others......
If you ask me, Sith fraction should be reserved for Dark Lords from EU, such as Marka Ragnos, Naga Sadow, Kun, Droma, Bane, etc etc. Mighty melee force users, who were pretty much powerhouses. One man armies. (I know, impossible to create in nowdays meta with multishooters, but nevertheless...)

I'm all for another Vader and Luke. As others have stated, it's another incarnation of these characters that allows one to play different characters for different squad builds. I like using Legacy Luke for push squads and Commando Luke for Levitate squads.

Here's something to at least consider in the Vader in the Sith Faction discussion. Was not Sidious and Vader continuing the long line of the Sith Rule of Two started when Darth Bane instituted it. Their plan was to always rule the Galaxy. Ruling over everything including an empire was the grand plan from the beginning. Whether Vader was truly a Sith Lord is irrelevant. I think he was because He definitely Lorded it over Peolple . As stated, there are many non SithLords in the Sith faction.

I do see the Argument that Characters in the Sith Faction should represent the OLd Faction. I might agree if not for the fact that Wizos already made Holosid and Maul. The same ones that argue that the game should not be taken literally i.e some things are put in here for gameplay : these same ones can't at the same time argue that Maul and Vader shouldnt' be put in the faction because they are not Sith Lords.

Just my two cents. It is fun though discussing this though.

I wouldn't worry about copying, just start a new thread, so those that want to continue it, can continue to post over there.

New Update post 1, Sith character.

This seems to be pretty much the only info we have on it. I think i'll try and find some Dungeons & Dragons figure that looks sort of like this, if there are any.



http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan_(creature)

Personally, i'm not too thrilled to see something like this. But hey, you can't hit the bullseye every single time