That is no where near a fair comparison. Mace's Damage output is highly dependent on rolls. Yes, Mace doesn't need FPs to deal his damage, but that doesn't take away from Vader's output. Not to mention that Dark Armor does boost Vader's HP, and since it is free, will prevent more damage than Reflect, usually. And really, having twice as many HPs isn't a huge deal, as most of his Force Powers cost twice as much to use as Vader's. If he has Shatterpoint and Vaapad Mastery, then I might worry. His major damage output is highly dependent on rolling a 17 or higher. So 20% chance of doing more than 60. Yes, pretty good. About as reliable as Kazden.

But he has some great weaknesses. Reflect with MOTF 2 is nice, but not nearly as good as with MOTF 3, with a vast amount of Force Points. Shooters will still tear him up at range. There are a few figs that Vaapad becomes worthless against, one of them a very, very powerful shooter vs Jedi. And the less said about how he fairs vs Vong the better.

Dosen't "move faster" stack, so he could move 10 and triple?

Not so. Mace has a 67% chance of getting at least one crit, that's reliable enough for me. The majority of the time he's doing closer to 120 (given that the flurry is likely to hit as well). Sure, weird things may happen, but he's more reliable than you think. Statistical anomalies occur, but on average he wipes the floor with Lord Vader (a more expensive pure melee piece) 4 times out of 5.

17 sounds like a big number but you've got to remember he's rolling three to five dice a turn. It's counter-intuitive, but his damage output is higher than Lord Vader's.

We can disagree about subjective takes on who's more useful, but damage output is just a question of doing the math.

I don't see a 67% chance of him critting in a turn. Unlike the Reserves, all his attacks are independent of each other, so it remains at a 20%, unless you are counting rerolls, which will burn his FP way too quickly. And depending on dice for your damage output is really dangerous. See: Boba BH "Cannon" squads, all hoping for that Disentegration. Sure, he will likely win vs Lord Vader, but I give that to Force Absorb more than Vaapad and Flurry. But I think other Vaders will fair much, much better. Is Mace a bad fig becuse Vader, Scourge, Anakin, SA, or Vader, Unleashed can wipe the floor with him?

And you can't super boost him without having a terribley low activation squad. GOWK, Yoda, GM, Gen. Skywalker all in the 50 pt range. He has decent damage potential if he crits. That is still only 20% per attack, or one in 5 will crit. When he does, he becomes DECENT for 65 pts. Seriously look at some of the Sith/Vaders in that point range. There is a reason a Save 16 is considered highly likely to be successful. By your reasoning, Virulent Poison will rarely work. Not what I would depend my entire squad on. Personally, I think the "duelist" figs give him a bit of an issue, high Def with Duelist, MOTF with Block, and a few others with Parry and Makashi.

I love it when people drag out probabilities. I used to understand the math, now, Sithborg's method is much easier.
20% chance to crit on this roll.

I was hoping the same for OR, Vong, NR, Sith, Mando.

Not sure why only the 4 largest factions tend to get these sort of SA'a

Probably because they need work in other areas before something like this. The Immediate Reserves are not teir 1 strategies for the most part, and are mostly for fun.

I'm quite aware of the distribution math. You misread my post. I was referring to the chance of *at least* one crit, not of *exactly* one crit. That math is very simple for anyone to do, it's just multiplication.

(.8^3) = .512, the same as your accurately calculated 51.2% chance of no crits. I'm sorry if you don't like my tone, I was responding to a series of ad hominems that have since been removed by the moderator. I don't have a problem with people who don't know much math unless they're flaming me about math at the same time.

I know it's not tier 1, but figs should not only be considered if they are tier 1. plus i only play for fun in any case.

Now i hope no one misunderstands my post, but just in case i will add.

Not saying tier one figs should not be made, just that casual games should be given equal consideration.

It's still an issue of priorities. Such abilities are pretty much less worthwhile than in other factions. Unless you start tossing around Immediate Droid to other factions, the lesser factions have less resources for such abilities. As much as I enjoyed what we got in DOTF, the OR, Sith, and Vong still need more help with their non-uniques.