I haven't played a rebel squad in years, but I saw the new Luke and thought he was cool, so I built around him. I didn't realize that Han would gain nothing from being a pilot, or else I would not have taken Lando. Dropping Lando for Chewie would've made for a solid squad, just as good as the one listed above. So yeah, part of the problem was certainly the sub-optimal squad that I brought.

But even with all that being said, I think that Nico has too much going on. Tow Cable + Cloaking for the towed piece is insane...plus his other factors, such as Accurate and Gambler's Luck. Especially with the majority of the powerful V-Set pieces not being part of the game, I think he's too much. Will he die to certain things? No question. But Daala loses to Yobuck every time too...that doesn't mean she was good for the game, or even balanced.

And I also agree that the new Czerka is too powerful. If I had playtested her I would've said, "Choose to have her give Blast Cannon or else Shields 1, but not both." In a game where Range 6 has become even more important than ever (since all CEs are now Range 6), Blast Cannon has a whole lot more power than it does in the standard game. Just giving Shields 1 to allies within 6 is tremendous...that's a HUGE bargain for just 17pts. But a damage boost on top of that....

Yeah, I think that would solve it. Let her keep her own Shields 1 though...I don't think that was a problem.

If all she gave was a +2def/+2att she'd be worthless for 17pts. No way would i put her in a squad at the high a cost. How about instead of Shields 1, instead grant Damage Reduction 10 or maybe Flak Shield. That way lightsabers are still really effective, but it helps against shooters.

I think she needs to have something more than just handing out Blast Cannon. 17pts for just that is kinda lame, especially since you have to be within 6 to use it effectively. If a change was going to be made, I think if it was damage Reduction 10 instead of sheilds 1, it would make it so its win/win for jedi squads going up against fringe squads with the Elite Czerka Technician since they would bypass the Damage Reduction with their lightsabers, and the fringe would be able to attack them back with more damage. I think the Jedi would be able to kill the fringe enemies quite easily if they didn't need to worry about shields 1. And we have so many pieces out there that have Penetration 10 and it never ever gets used. Bout time we changed that. You could even make a few pieces in the next custom set that were shooters but had Penetration 10 to bypass the damage reduction. I don't think 17pts for a limited damage boost is good at all considering she can't do anything other than be a huge target and not fight effectively at all. I suggest you playtest her more carefully next time and not jump to immediately taking something off and calling it good, cause it will result in no one playing her at all.

Remeber, you guys made it so we can't play Talon Karrde, so all we got is Captain Nico and this Technician to help the fringe squads. Talon is much better than both Captain Nico and the Elite Czerka Tech combined cause he gives a rangeless damage boost, disruptive, a movement breaker and protection against force users. He costs 32pts. The Elite Czerka Tech + Nico is 53pts. If Talon has proven that even at his cost it didn't break the game, i don't think the Elite Czerka Tech and captain Nico will either. I don't want to see people jump to conclusions without playtesting changes or overreacting to a well thought out squad that, lets face it, WotC would never have made possible as a all fringe squad was hardly top tier. I think you guys did a good job giving some power pieces to the Fringe, cause they needed it, but I think just cause one play report against a bad matchup proves the Elite Czerka and Nico combo is good, really doesn't shout out to me that the pieces need to be errata'd. You guys said you did lots of playtesting with these peices before, so I would have thought that spryguy1981 and Dr Daman (both of whom are excellent playtesters) would have saw this combo and not thought it a problem in the competitve scene.

i agree sorry if my posts were confusing, i was talking from the angle that if the all fringe squad continues to dominate perspective what our route would be to change the czerka. like i said earlier i felt there were enough counters to it to begin with, but while we talking about it and it was on our minds i wanted a fall back in case it did indeed prove to good.

If I ran OR this is what I would run

Master Thon 64
Nomi Sunrider 50
General Farfalla 29
Cay Qel-Droma 28
Atton Rand 26


Ya baby
put Farfalla on Thon's back to force bubble attacks
Charge in with Thon to twin attack for 50
Cay Qel Droma can lightsaber assault and than at the end of Nomi's turn, lightsaber assault again, woot! begging you to kill him, haha!

Atton Ran can open a door and has jedi hunter cunning attack +20, so could do 80 to force user.
force pull someone to nomi to make them target her (she can LD or have Farfalla bubble)

or repulse from 4 squares, bubble some of your own damage, force pull over and attack have Cay lightsaber assault, than take his turn and LA again, haha. 140 damage maybe (40 + 20 + 40 + 40)


5 person pimp squad

I'm definitely going to be running a different squad next time (although I will greatly miss this sith squad) If only because whoever I am matched with will probably run a hate squad.

I honestly thought you were going to cream me, because in my last game General Grievous HoH singlehandedly brought down Bane, and you had Revan and Bastilla with GMA....

I haven't be able to contact dieandbemetal. I have sent 2 bloomails so far, anyone know an alternate way to contact him? At this point We probably won't get a chance to play until monday since the next 2 days I'm working double shifts

I work with him, and he said that he is super busy but wants to get his game in today. let me know that works for you and I will contact him for you. I sent him a message telling him to get on bloo and work something out with you.

Need to give Bossk rival for wookiees

mandolorian weaponsmith... someone gt rid of the advanced ammunition ability.
making this character not worth anything.
also making this character not a weaponsmith.

anyway I suggest added the ability
advanced ammunition: replaces turn, can give adjacent character penetration 10