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Making Old WOTC Sets Playable Options
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:16:18 AM
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We love this game. Let's start there. BlooMilk
And the players keeping the game alive are awesome and doing great with the V-sets. ThumpUp

However, how many are bummed that they cannot just dust off the Rebel Storm, Clone Strike, etc, sets and build squads using them along side the current characters? Sad

New Here is an attempt at doing just that...by using the old characters and changing as little as possible to make players want to use them...

Note: if a character is listed in black text with no link, then I did not feel a change was needed to it. (ex: Battle Droids, Battle Droid Officer, Clone Trooper, etc) I included them only to keep the sets whole.

Feel free to leave comments/suggestions/critiques/etc. These are just my interpretations. Wink

(PS...I tried to create custom sets for each old WOTC sets, but the custom set creator is not working. If it ever does work, I will import them all.)

Rebel Storm V2
RS1 Bothan Spy V2
RS2 C-3PO V2
RS3 Chewbacca V2
RS4 Commando on Speeder Bike V2
RS5 Elite Hoth Trooper V2
RS6 Elite Rebel Trooper V2
RS7 Han Solo V2
RS8 Hoth Trooper V2
RS9 Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight V2
RS10 Luke Skywalker, Rebel V2
RS11 Obi-Wan Kenobi V2
RS12 Princess Leia, Captive V2
RS13 Princess Leia, Senator V2
RS14 R2-D2 V2
RS15 Rebel Commando V2
RS16 Rebel Officer V2
RS17 Rebel Pilot V2
RS18 Rebel Trooper V2
RS19 (same as above)
RS20 Wookiee Soldier V2
RS21 Darth Vader, Dark Jedi V2
RS22 Darth Vader, Sith Lord V2
RS23 Elite Snowtrooper V2
RS24 Elite Stormtrooper V2
RS25 Emperor Palpatine V2
RS26 General Veers V2
RS27 Grand Moff Tarkin V2
RS28 Heavy Stormtrooper V2
RS29 Imperial Officer V2
RS30 Mara Jade, Emperors Hand V2
RS31 Probe Droid V2
RS32 Royal Guard V2
RS33 Scout Trooper
RS34 Scout Trooper on Speeder Bike V2
RS35 Snowtrooper
RS36 Stormtrooper
RS37 (same as above)
RS38 (same as above)
RRS39 Stormtrooper Officer V2
RS40 Sandtrooper on Dewback V2
RS41 Bespin Guard V2
RS42 Boba Fett V2
RS43 Dengar V2
RS44 Duros Mercenary V2
RS45 Ewok V2
RS46 4-Lom V2
RS47 Gamorrean Guard V2
RS48 IG-88 V2
RS49 Ithorian Scout
RS50 Jabba The Hutt V2
RS51 Jawa V2
RS52 Lando Calrissian V2
RS53 Mon Calamari Mercenary V2
RS54 Quarren Assassin V2
RS55 Greedo V2
RS56 Bossk V2
RS57 Tusken Raider V2
RS58 Twilek Bodyguard V2
RS59 Twilek Scoundrel V2
RS60 Wampa V2

Clone Strike V2
CS1 Aayla Secura V2
CS2 Aerial Clone Trooper Captain V2
CS3 Anakin Skywalker V2
CS4 ARC Trooper V2
CS5 Captain Typho V2
CS6 Clone Trooper
CS7 Clone Trooper
CS8 Clone Trooper Commander V2
CS9 Clone Trooper Grenadier
CS10 Clone Trooper Sergeant V2
CS11 Agen Kolar V2
CS12 General Kenobi V2
CS13 Gungan Cavalry on Kaadu V2
CS14 Gungan Infantry V2
CS15 Jedi Guardian V2
CS16 Ki-Adi-Mundi V2
CS17 Kit Fisto V2
CS18 Luminara Unduli V2
CS19 Mace Windu V2
CS20 Naboo Soldier V2
CS21 Padme Amidala V2
CS22 Plo Koon V2
CS23 Qui-Gon Jinn V2
CS24 Quinlan Vos V2
CS25 Saesee Tiin V2
CS26 Yoda V2
CS27 Asajj Ventress V2
CS28 Battle Droid
CS29 Battle Droid
CS30 Battle Droid
CS31 Battle Droid Officer
CS32 Battle Droid on STAP V2
CS33 Count Dooku V2
CS34 Dark Side Acolyte V2
CS35 Darth Maul V2
CS36 Darth Sidious V2
CS37 Destroyer Droid V2
CS38 Durge V2
CS39 Dwarf Spider Droid V2
CS40 General Grievous V2
CS41 Geonosian Drone
CS42 Geonosian Overseer V2
CS43 Geonosian Picador on Orray V2
CS44 Geonosian Soldier V2
CS45 Jango Fett V2
CS46 Security Battle Droid V2
CS47 Super Battle Droid V2
CS48 (same as above)
CS49 Aqualish Spy V2
CS50 Aurra Sing V2
CS51 Devaronian Bounty Hunter V2
CS52 Gran Raider
CS53 Ishi Tib Scout V2
CS54 Klatooinian Enforcer V2
CS55 Nikto Soldier V2
CS56 Quarren Raider V2
CS57 Rodian Mercenary V2
CS58 Weequay Mercenary
CS59 Wookiee Commando
CS60 Zam Wesell V2

Revenge of the Sith V2
ROTS1 Agen Kolar, Jedi Master V2
ROTS2 Alderaan Trooper V2
ROTS3 Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight V2
ROTS4 AT-RT V2
ROTS5 Bail Organa V2
ROTS6 Captain Antilles V2
ROTS7 Chewbacca of Kashyyyk V2
ROTS8 Clone Trooper
ROTS9 Clone Trooper
ROTS10 Clone Trooper Commander V2
ROTS11 Clone Trooper Gunner
ROTS12 Jedi Knight V2
ROTS13 Mace Windu, Jedi Master V2
ROTS14 Mon Mothma V2
ROTS15 Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi Master V2
ROTS16 Polis Massa Medic V2
ROTS17 R2-D2, Astromech Droid
ROTS18 Senate Guard V2
ROTS19 Shaak Ti V2
ROTS20 Stass Allie V2
ROTS21 Tarfful V2
ROTS22 Wookiee Berserker V2
ROTS23 Wookiee Scout V2
ROTS24 Yoda, Jedi Master V2
ROTS25 Battle Droid
ROTS26 Battle Droid
ROTS27 Bodyguard Droid V2
ROTS28 (same as above)
ROTS29 Darth Tyranus V2
ROTS30 Destroyer Droid V2
ROTS31 General Grievous, Jedi Hunter V2
ROTS32 General Grievous, Supreme Commander V2
ROTS33 Grievous's Wheel Bike V2
ROTS34 Muun Guard V2
ROTS35 Neimoidian Soldier V2
ROTS36 (same as above)
ROTS37 San Hill V2
ROTS38 Separatist Commando V2
ROTS39 Super Battle Droid V2
ROTS40 (same as above)
ROTS41 Wat Tambor V2
ROTS42 Boba Fett, Young Mercenary V2
ROTS43 Chagrian Mercenary Commander V2
ROTS44 Devaronian Soldier V2
ROTS45 Gotal Fringer V2
ROTS46 Human Mercenary V2
ROTS47 Iktotchi Tech Specialist V2
ROTS48 Medical Droid V2
ROTS49 Nautolan Soldier V2
ROTS50 Sly Moore V2
ROTS51 Tion Medon V2
ROTS52 Utapaun Soldier V2
ROTS53 (same as above)
ROTS54 Yuzzem V2
ROTS55 Zabrak Fringer V2
ROTS56 Anakin Skywalker, Sith Apprentice V2
ROTS57 Dark Side Adept V2
ROTS58 Darth Vader V2
ROTS59 Emperor Palpatine, Sith Lord V2
ROTS60 Royal Guard V2

Universe V2
UH1 Clone Trooper
UH2 Clone Trooper on BARC Speeder V2
UH3 Elite Clone Trooper V2
UH4 Flash Speeder V2
UH5 Obi-Wan on Boga V2
UH6 Battle Droid
UH7 Darth Maul on Speeder V2
UH8 Hailfire Droid V2
UH9 Nute Gunray V2
UH10 Super Battle Droid V2
UH11 Super Battle Droid Commander V2
UH12 Abyssin Black Sun Thug V2
UH13 Acklay V2
UH14 ASP-7 V2
UH15 B'omarr Monk V2
UH16 Dash Rendar V2
UH17 Dr. Evazan V2
UH18 Gonk Power Droid V2
UH19 Guri V2
UH20 Kaminoan Ascetic V2
UH21 Lando Calrissian, Hero of Taanab V2
UH22 Lobot
UH23 Nexu V2
UH24 Ponda Baba V2
UH25 Prince Xizor V2
UH26 Rancor V2
UH27 Reek V2
UH28 Rodian Black Sun Vigo V2
UH29 Shistavanen Pilot V2
UH30 Tusken Raider on Bantha V2
UH31 Vornskr V2
UH32 X-1 Viper Droid V2
UH33 AT-ST V2
UH34 Baron Fel V2
UH35 Dark Side Marauder V2
UH36 Dark Trooper Phase III V2
UH37 Darth Vader, Jedi Hunter V2
UH38 Grand Admiral Thrawn V2
UH39 Nightsister Sith Witch V2
UH40 Noghri V2
UH41 Stormtrooper
UH42 Stormtrooper Commander V2
UH43 Admiral Ackbar V2
UH44 Bith Rebel V2
UH45 Chewbacca, Rebel Hero V2
UH46 Dressellian Commando V2
UH47 Han Solo, Rebel Hero V2
UH48 Luke Skywalker on Tauntaun V2
UH49 Nien Nunb V2
UH50 Princess Leia, Rebel Hero V2
UH51 Wedge Antilles V2
UH52 Kyle Katarn V2
UH53 Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master V2
UH54 New Republic Commander V2
UH55 New Republic Trooper V2
UH56 Young Jedi Knight V2
UH57 Nom Anor V2
UH58 Warmaster Tsavong Lah V2
UH59 Yuuzhan Vong Subaltern V2
UH60 Yuuzhan Vong Warrior V2

Champions of the Force (in progress...)
COTF1 Bastila Shan V2
COTF2 Jedi Consular V2
COTF3 Jedi Guardian V2
COTF4 Jedi Sentinel V2
COTF5 Old Republic Commander V2
COTF06 Old Republic Soldier
COTF7 Dark Jedi V2
COTF8 Dark Jedi Master V2
COTF9 Dark Side Enforcer V2
COTF10 Darth Bane V2
COTF11 Darth Malak V2
COTF12 Darth Nihilus V2
COTF13 Exar Kun V2
COTF14 Massassi Sith Mutant V2
COTF15 Sith Assault Droid V2
COTF16 Sith Trooper V2
COTF17 (same as above)
COTF18 Sith Trooper Commander V2
COTF19 Ulic Qel-Droma V2
COTF20 Barriss Offee V2
COTF21
COTF22
COTF23
COTF24
COTF25
COTF26 General Windu V2
COTF27 Jedi Padawan V2
COTF28
COTF29
COTF30
COTF31
COTF32 Qui-Gon Jinn, Jedi Master V2
COTF33
COTF34
COTF35
COTF36
COTF37
COTF38
COTF39
COTF40 Darth Maul, Champion of the Sith V2
COTF41 Darth Sidious, Dark Lord of the Sith V2
COTF42
COTF43
COTF44
COTF45
COTF46
COTF47
COTF48
COTF49
COTF50
COTF51
COTF52
COTF53
COTF54
COTF55
COTF56
COTF57
COTF58 R5 Astromech Droid V2
COTF59
COTF60

Bounty Hunters
BH19 Boba Fett, Bounty Hunter V2
BH20 BoShek V2
BH37 Jango Fett, Bounty Hunter V2
BH49 Utapaun on Dactillion V2
BH52 Young Krayt Dragon V2

Alliance and Empire
AE2 Aurra Sign, Jedi Hunter V2
AE38 Boba Fett, Enforcer V2

The Force Unleashed
TFU1 Darth Revan V2

Legacy of the Force
LOTF10 Darth Tyranus, Legacy of the Dark Side V2

Knights of the Old Republic
KOTOR13 Darth Malak, Dark Lord of the Sith V2
KOTOR17 T3-M4 V2
KOTOR25 Gungan Shieldbearer V2
KOTOR26 Gungan Soldier V2

The Clone Wars
CW1 Darth Sidious Hologram V2

The Clone Wars Starter Set
CWSS1
CWSS2
CWSS3 Clone Trooper Commander V2
CWSS4 Count Dooku of Serenno V2
CWSS5
CWSS6

Showdown at Teth Palace
STP1 Asajj Ventress, Separatist Assassin V2

Galaxy at War
GAW1 Asajj Ventress, Strike Leader V2
GAW30 Jedi Master Kit Fisto V2

Masters of the Force
MOTF7 Kit Fisto, Jedi Master V2
MOTF8 Master Windu V2
Rex_Moonwielder_1995
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:46:30 AM
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I commend your effort, sir.
Rex_Moonwielder_1995
Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:30:59 AM
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I feel that CS Darth Maul, CS Count Dooku, TFU Darth Revan, and most of the RS Uniques could all afford to get an upgrade.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2020 11:42:07 AM
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Agreed and getting to them...it takes me a bit to look thru all the stats and ensure just enough synergies without making them too broken. BlooMilk
Dooku and Maul are a little harder because there are so many to have to work around.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Tuesday, October 20, 2020 10:41:35 AM
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To give you guys an idea how dauntingly fun this is...I just did a search for characters from any faction from point value 8 to 12...and it came up with 299 characters...
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, October 23, 2020 9:40:12 AM
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Updated to add the various Dooku/Tyranus characters...and Asajj Ventress characters. Hoping to tackle the Mauls next...then on to the light side Jedis.

Also...if you want a fun exercise, just use the "compare" under "characters" and use Aayla Secura (Clone Strike #1) compared to Johun Othone (OR from Always Two There Are #1).
I'm pretty sure Johun is VERY undercosted...
(and not just comparing him to CS figs...look at all the other guys in that range...)
Rex_Moonwielder_1995
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I think MotF's General Solo is also in desperate need for this. Though with him, the main thing is significantly reducing his cost, because he actually does give you a lot. He's just too pricey. Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master from Universe is a similar sort of situation.
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
Also...if you want a fun exercise, just use the "compare" under "characters" and use Aayla Secura (Clone Strike #1) compared to Johun Othone (OR from Always Two There Are #1).
I'm pretty sure Johun is VERY undercosted...
(and not just comparing him to CS figs...look at all the other guys in that range...)

I think the issue is that Aayla was massively overcosted for the competitive game because of power creep, long before the V-sets came along. Don't blame it all on Johun- he's a little undercosted, but most of the power creep was in WOTC, and the V-sets have tried to level the playing field and allow different squads and factions to compete.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, October 23, 2020 6:48:44 PM
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I agree mostly...and definitely not just pointing at Johun...I just noticed how lopsided the comparison was and then realized how good he was for his points. I think the V-sets have done what they set out to do...and yes, the old WOTC characters versus the later ones showed significant PC.
This little exercise is showing me more of how far the game and characters have come. It does make it challenging, but very fun to do.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 9:05:32 AM
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Clone Strike is done (for now)
Hoping to go thru Revenge of the Sith next, then to Rebel Storm.
Rex_Moonwielder_1995
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imyurhukaberry wrote:
Clone Strike is done (for now)
Hoping to go thru Revenge of the Sith next, then to Rebel Storm.


Once again, I commend you sir.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Monday, November 23, 2020 5:56:27 AM
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Revenge of the Sith is done (for now)
Moving back to Rebel Storm...
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Been looking forward to RS
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can we make these official for tournament play?!? these look soo much fun to play and i think it nessesary to update these older pieces as they just collect dust in our collections or they just end up as proxy's for v-set pieces. it'd be fun to build squads without having to resort to using mostly v-set pieces to be competitive.
imyurhukaberry
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These are not meant to be "official" in any capacity, but rather just my idea on how to make them playable. There could be hundreds of ways to update the old minis.

That said, it wouldn't be a bad idea to put this idea into the V-set designers and see if they'd want to tackle an official updating of all the old sets. Not necessarily using any of my custom characters, but what they'd do on their own. I gave it my best shot, but they might be able to come up with better updates...and then make them official for sanctioned play. (they could use any of mine if they want, makes no difference to me...this is just what I'd use at home to play the old guys!)

In the meantime, feel free to playtest them and see how they do.
I'd be interested in seeing feedback.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Friday, December 11, 2020 5:49:26 AM
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Rebel Storm is complete.
Moving on to Universe...

Also, I don't have a group out here to play test these tweaks. So if anyone would like to take on that challenge for me and report back what you think was not enough...just right...or too much...please and thank you!
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:25:00 AM
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SLOWLY getting thru Universe.
These guys are a bit more involved as more of them are used more often.
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 11:18:59 AM
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The circle is now complete. The student has become...er...well...the set of Universe is now complete anyway.

Not sure when I'll get to Champions...but I'll see what I can do. I believe most of that set has been redone with Vsets...so that should make it an interesting set to get thru. Stay tuned...
imyurhukaberry
Posted: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 8:09:32 AM
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Confused Curious if anyone has tested any of these changes...?
If you can, please let me know how it went.
I would suggest making a squad with the old figure first and playing it. Then same squads, both sides, but with the updated character. (as can with points)
Do not use too many updated characters in a squad, as it won't be focused enough to test individual differences.
Thank you in advance! ThumpUp
imyurhukaberry
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Where does the time go?!
COTF...now we get to the really interesting story pieces...
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